I’m sure they could stay. But not in the middle of the road. They would need to 
be in an assigned space. 

> On Jun 11, 2020, at 8:57 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> 
> Interesting.  You do not want truckers as customers.  They just want a 
> shower and to use the laundry and pool if it is available, and their truck 
> will not get messed with in an RV park.  But it is illegal to be a customer?
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Matt Hoppes
> Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 6:44 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber
> 
> I see. Well that’s illegal in the parks we manage and security would be over 
> in a flash.
> 
> I’m aware of continental. Which is interesting since OTARD doesn’t apply to 
> commercial.
> 
>> On Jun 11, 2020, at 8:38 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Deadheading bobtail.  Happens all the time.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Jun 11, 2020, at 5:37 PM, Matt Hoppes 
>>>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Again. Why would a semi be parking in the middle of the park?
>>> 
>>> Sure. It can be in a designated space. No one parks in the roadway to sleep.
>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 11, 2020, at 7:16 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I guess you have not been in the sleeper of a nice large semi lately.
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Matt Hoppes
>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 4:42 PM
>>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber
>>>> 
>>>> Why would a semi be parking in the middle of an RV park?
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 11, 2020, at 6:35 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm not an RV'er, but I thought it was somewhat common to have a 
>>>>> portable or roof mounted sat TV dish that even automatically aims itself. 
>>>>>  Like this:
>>>>> https://www.amazon.com/Winegard-PL7000R-Playmaker-Portable-Satellite/dp/B074CPRJSD
>>>>> 
>>>>> Supposedly you can add a mobile dish to your home subscription so you 
>>>>> don't have to pay an arm and a leg for a couple months when you hit the 
>>>>> road in summer.  We have a farm customer that uses their "mobile" dish at 
>>>>> their scalehouse during harvest.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 5:17 PM
>>>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber
>>>>> 
>>>>> So if a semi wants to park there and they have a nice mobile sat under 
>>>>> the radome, you going to knock on their sleeper and ask if they are 
>>>>> watching TV?
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Matt Hoppes
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 4:13 PM
>>>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber
>>>>> 
>>>>> OTARD does not apply to someone else’s property. Normally the satellite 
>>>>> dishes are not mounted on your RV they are mounted on the land belonging 
>>>>> to the camp owner.
>>>>> 
>>>>> And 0TARD does not apply to commercial environments which a campground is.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 11, 2020, at 6:06 PM, Robert Andrews <i...@avantwireless.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> How can you enforce no satellite dishes.   Sounds like a clear violation
>>>>>> of FCC OTARD...   You couldn't even tell if we were using our satellite
>>>>>> dish it's fully enclosed and not visible.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 06/11/2020 02:48 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>>>>>> Why are you doing fiber?
>>>>>>> We have a 300 unit RV park where everyone is required to stream over
>>>>>>> the Internet, no satellite dishes are allowed.
>>>>>>> It works absolutely fine and everything is back hauled wirelessly to
>>>>>>> the sectors that cover several RV campers.
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 11, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Yeah I'm assuming WiFi would be everyone's first choice, and that's
>>>>>>>> part of why I'm thinking WiFi from the pedestal.  I just thought it
>>>>>>>> would be nice to have the option to plug in a cable.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I did find a comms enclosure that bolts onto the back side of the RV
>>>>>>>> power ped. http://www.rvparksupplies.com/p/ACCESSBOXPHONECABLE/.
>>>>>>>> <http://www.rvparksupplies.com/p/ACCESSBOXPHONECABLE/>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Waiting for them to send me more details, but I think that might
>>>>>>>> give me a place for the ONT, and incidentally there appear to be two
>>>>>>>> keystone jacks in it.  My two reasons for suggesting this approach
>>>>>>>> are that each RV gets their own WiFi instead of sharing it with
>>>>>>>> everybody around them, and if there was ever a law enforcement issue
>>>>>>>> we could track the usage to a particular site rather than just 
>>>>>>>> "somewhere in the park".
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 6/11/2020 4:54 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
>>>>>>>>> As an "RVer" I will say that we are all set up for WiFi connections 
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> doing a hardwire would be something that we _never_ plan for. Don't
>>>>>>>>> even carry and ethernet cable...
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On 06/11/2020 01:30 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> If you run fiber to RV sites, what do you put in at the site?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm imagining I'd end with a WiFi enabled ONT in a box, on a post
>>>>>>>>>>> next to their power and water hookups.  I'd want the campers to be
>>>>>>>>>>> able to plug Ethernet in at the box if they have the wherewithal to 
>>>>>>>>>>> do so.
>>>>>>>>>>> And if they don't then they have their own private WiFi right
>>>>>>>>>>> outside their RV.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> ....of course I could get little Hoffman boxes and put this
>>>>>>>>>>> together, but I'm betting someone must have made a product for this 
>>>>>>>>>>> already.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
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