If you decide my storefront is now in your occupy/chop zone, I want the
government to take your liberty away. Right now.
And it depends on how pretty that Mormon missionary girl is that wakes me up by
sitting on my bed...
Mormon girl wakes me up all the time. I don’t mind.
From: Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 2:53 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - political
you dont always have to want to be something you are. You dont have authority
over anothers liberty. Youre more than welcome to cede as much liberty of your
own as you chose to create yourself whatever region you feel you want between
your liberties and someone else's. Agreement doesnt come without discussion,
youll get no discussion as long as youre impending anothers liberty who hasnt
ceded any to you. At one point your only result will be a violent reclamation
of liberty you stepped on, or you become a slave master.
Let me give you an example of opening a line of communication, vs your
expectation. Opening a line of communication is the mormons knocking on your
door and asking if youd like to talk about their book (we wont nitpick the
details of solicitation permits, etc). That is honoring your fellow persons
liberty while asking them to cede theres for actual dialogue. Now, what you
promote is waking up to a mormon sitting on your bed "peacefully" asking if
youd like to talk about their book.
Asking to talk about a book is in itself peaceful. But since the latter
involved infringing anothers liberty, its not peaceful, nor is it about
discussion or dialogue. There is no grey area. Calling the act out of context
peaceful is not just incorrect, it is cowardly.
I have no issue with violence, violence is necessary. But if violence is the
way, then be violent, do not call it peace, eventually those who are much more
violent, while choosing peace will no longer tolerate the childish games.
Once again, you only have authority over your liberty and no one elses. Until
you stop demanding the right to infringe on someone elses liberty, you are not
peaceful, you are not initiating dialogue and while hiding behind "rights" you
are a fascist.
You also have no authority to dictate ones response to you choosing to infringe
on their liberty, you only have the authority to suffer the consequences and
learn from it.
Im a pure anarchist by nature, Im trapped in a"civilized" society, So I choose
to claim statism, because im a libertarian who doesnt prefer dresses and
cowardice. I was blessed to be born in a constitutional republic that means no
man dictates where my liberty begins or ends, I have no expectation of anything
less for him either.
On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 3:33 PM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
Completely the opposite. I do not want to be a fascist. What I'm saying is
there needs to be more nuance and or space between. If everything is black and
white, then there is no room for agreement.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 7/20/2020 1:23 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
if you think you have any right to infringe on anothers liberty, then you
dont want a discussion, you want to be a fascist, so there isnt anything to
really discuss. If you think you have more right to public domain than someone
else, you want to be a fascist, there isnt really anything to discuss. You see,
the government is not there to allow one citizen to have more "rights" than
another. There isnt room for any discussion if you preface it in another first
giving up their liberty to open a line of communication with you. Now if
beforehand you want to negotiate some lenience on anothers liberty, that is an
option, but the moment you condone infringement, youve simply asked for
altercation. Thats the problem with disguising tyranny as dialogue, you only
get dialogue if youre a fair participant and the nonsense of calling it
dialogue is as thin as the line between two persons liberty (nonexistent)
On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 2:29 PM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
I completely disagree with your notion of black and white. To me it is
all gray, or shades of gray, and that is where we are getting off on the wrong
foot. As soon as we start to discuss things in the context of multiple points
of view we will start to get somewhere.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 7/20/2020 12:04 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
Watch the skateboards.
I dont watch news footage, or much released video of the happenings,
because its all edited for predetermined context. I watch live streams as
things happen from the ground.
A. stopping anyones freedom of movement without permit is not peaceful,
period. That makes every instance of blocking traffic non peaceful. Your rights
end where mine begin, mine end where yours begin, there is no grey area, no
overlap and nothing to discuss, it is simply fact. I mention permit because as
a civilized society we have accepted the fact that we will occasionally give up
some liberty for sanctioned events following an agreed upon protocol, hence
permits. Whether that be a protest, fair, carnival, concert, road show.
B. Given the covid nonsense, screaming in someones face is in fact
violence (in illinois if spiddle hits, its aggravated battery right now). Once
again, not non violent.
C. Destruction/defacement of public property is not nonviolent. public
property belongs to all people, not just those who belive that they are the
only ones in "We the People". "street art" is not an acceptable form of protest
as it is defacement of public property.
That eliminates the vast majority of these "protests"
Now, back to the skateboards. If you watch livestreams, the skateboads
are new this riot season/election year. I couldnt figure out when this season
started where all the usual occupy mob was at. Then I realized they brought
about new tactics. The skateboards. They offer mobility, they are an excellent
cudgel weapon, they can be handled even when jumping fences without losing
transport. And best yet, there is no surface that holds fingerprints well.
If you watch livestreams, or can find unedited footage (good luck with
that) youll see the skateboards present when the violence starts. In almost all
instances, the first broken window is a hooded gimp in the periphery smashing a
window and slinking off. The mob instinctively follows. By design.
The first tagging, skateboard gimp tags and drops cans of paint, then
slinks off. (but you have to ask where the rest of the cans come from. you dont
bring spray paint to a "peaceful" protest.
Tow straps are part of a peaceful protest? I didnt realize, but theyre
all there ready to pull statues down, regardless of the history of the statues.
CHAZ/CHOP/CHUMP was a summer of love, remember? remember the locals
loved it. totally peaceful. Except for the fact the locals were held hostage
and have actually filed lawsuit as such.... not peaceful, we wont even discuss
the murders, rapes, and theft.
When local governments dont protect their citizens from lawless
"protesters" infringing on their liberties, the federal government has the
responsibility to liberate the citizens under siege. Or the citizen has the
right to aptly address those who would infringe. You dont get to decide the
level of threat another person feels by your choice to infringe. period, its
not up for discussion. If you think it is, you are the epitome of a fascist,
that is not how liberty works.
As for these "jackboots" being unidentified, that is a lie, they are
identified as police, and nowhere in the constitution does it say the
government is mandated to tell you anything about what they are doing to
others. The use of "unmarked vehicles" is also a lie A. those vehicles have
license plates. B. Nowhere does it say transportation must be identified as law
enforcement. As a matter of fact existing caselaw specifically states otherwise.
These "peaceful protesters" being snatched up and whisked away to
locations are having their minds wiped? nope. They know where they went, who
took them and why. Just because they give a media interview stating otherwise
doesnt make it so. If thatat is the case in isolated incidents, that will
ultimately be handled as an egregious violation of rights... wanna bet CNN
doesnt do any follow ups with these "victims" though?
so to anyone calling this bullshit "peaceful" I say ROTFLMAO, because
there is no way to have any real discussion with anyone not operating in
reality.
Fact of the matter is, local and state government inept response and
their actively condoning the infringement of citizens personal liberties by one
group over another in an enlightened 2020 is what is going to lead to
bloodshed, much sooner than later. It wont have anything to do with skin tone
or who lays with who either.
On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 10:52 AM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
wrote:
People can disagree. If we can do it politely then we won't need
lent rules. Instead of laughing, tell me what the fault in my reasoning is and
explain yours. Or tell me what my incorrect fact is with a citation showing
what the correct fact is. We'd be in better shape if we could do that without
lashing out.
I feel like we (the country) can't even talk about this stuff
anymore. We've removed all nuance from discussing complex topics and reduced
it to meme politics. We express an opinion with a picture and a one liner, and
whether you agree or disagree puts you on one team or another. Then we angrily
shriek at each other about it. THAT fatigues me more than ongoing protests
ever could. No vote we can make will change any of that, but maybe we can all
change that part of ourselves.
On 7/20/2020 11:32 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
ROTFLMAO
On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 10:26 AM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Oh I don't know about that. If a bunch of angry people assemble
peacefully, it wouldn't take much for them to stop being peaceful.
There are accelerationists who absolutely want to start a civil
war, but they're a fringe movement and giving them too much credit is the same
mistake as giving "Antifa" too much credit. IMO.
On 7/20/2020 10:57 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
The BLM protestors are almost completely peaceful. It's groups
like boogaloo who are creating all the ruckus.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 7/20/2020 7:49 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Federal Hitler tactics are just a recent thing, these kids
have been going nuts for a couple of months.
I respect anyone’s right to PEACEFULLY assemble and to
protest.
(Between 9:00 am and 5:00 pm M-F, holidays excluded, not on
streets, must provide porta potties)
I don’t respect defacing or harming anyone’s property, public
or not. Burning, occupying etc.
I really don’t know what their cause is. Other than against
police brutality. That is a good cause.
Will setting fire to the police building help their cause?
I wonder if you can buy those rubber bullet claymore mines
they tested out on Jackass?
Perhaps install a fire suppression system under the awning of
your store but plumb it up to pepper spray.
From: Jaime Solorza
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 8:35 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - political
Hitler tactics by Bunker Boy...there , I said it.
On Sun, Jul 19, 2020, 2:49 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
Not trying to break lent, but I am lacking understanding.
What are the young white kids rioting about in Portland?
I am from Oregon, I remember protests in the 60s and 70s
over Vietnam.
I also remember a line of State Police walking through a
park downtown and busting heads of those that did not clear out. Actually one
of my first telco bosses had been one of those State Bull Cops.
Are young white kids just aching for a chance at anarchy?
I don’t get it.
Misbehaving while trying to wrap some kind of noble cause
around you is pretty childish.
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