One of the things that the federal government and international community
should have been focused on is defining testing and reporting procedures to
ensure data integrity, completeness, and the ability to track and compare
across jurisdictions.
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From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <li...@packetflux.com>
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 2:25:49 AM
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So, I went digging for a reason behind the positives for people who didn't
actually succeed in getting tested.
One thing I found is that it sounds like some of these testing sites are not
being run in a very intelligent manner. The brokenness you described (where 3
people who got out of line got calls about a positive result), may be a result
of some sites which apparently took the personal information when people got in
line, and then assumed that everyone stayed in line. So if one person gets out
of line, then the people behind them don't get their own test results, they get
the results of the people behind them, and the person who got out of line gets
a test result even though they weren't tested. Apparently this has happened in
at least one location but hopefully isn't all that common as this is a pretty
stupid thing to do.
There are also people who are getting calls from scammers who are trying to
convince people they are positive for some scammy purpose. With so many tests
being administered, it's probably a pretty high chance that a scammer will
successfully reach people who have had a recent COVID test. And with tests
taking a week or more for results, the window is fairly wide.
I don't doubt at all that people are getting the wrong results, false
positives, false negatives, and so on. I also don't doubt that some misguided
localities are deciding to report things in non-straightforward ways which make
the stats better for whatever reasons. My favorite is the states who have
decided to report based on 'date of symptom onset', so you never see the number
of new positive cases on a given date, they just silently update the numbers
over the last 2 weeks as people get tested, and the graphs always look like the
numbers are going down since not all of the recent cases are discovered yet.
Like anything though, there seem to be quite a few conspiracy theorists out
there who are convinced that all the numbers are being faked, including
hospitalizations and deaths. Yes, it is certain that the numbers aren't 100%
correct, and I'm sure there will be lots of examples where people don't feel a
given case was recorded properly, but I just can't see it being a widespread
conspiracy being driven by whoever the theorist's favorite bogeyman is.
On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 2:31 PM Lewis Bergman < lewis.berg...@gmail.com > wrote:
To be clear, I was saying there was a conspiracy. Although I will say if you
want more of something, you subsidize it, and less of something, you tax it.
All I was saying is I saw no reason for an entity, public or private, to
falsify 3 out of 3 tests unless there was some financial incentive for doing
so. Although anecdotal, that's a hell of a coincidence.
Again, economic policy can drive mass decision making, which to some, can seem
like a conspiracy, but in actuality is just macroeconomic decisions working
down to the micro level. The same reason people buy shit at Wal-Mart for $2
less than somewhere else.
Anyway, I just thought it added color to the numbers and is the only actual
verifiable inconsistency I have seen.
In my opinion, everyone on the planet, save those cannibals on that little
island of NZ, are going to get COVID so while slowing it might be a good idea,
it lengthens the time we stay in this rut and doesn't prevent the inevitable.
On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 3:23 PM < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote:
<blockquote>
I make sure all my aliens have an I-9
From: Nate Burke
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 2:17 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?
I thought the only time Government was competent was when it was involving
conspiracy?
IRS looses 1 laptop and millions of peoples data is in the wild, "Gov't leaks
data like a sieve"
1000's of people in and out of Area51, and not a single picture of the aliens?
"Gov't has been covering it up for 60 years"
On 8/5/2020 2:42 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
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Conspiracy theories lose credibility when the number of participants exceed 5
or 10 people. You're talking about a conspiracy involving 5 or 6 thousand
hospitals in 50 states (plus all the territories), with who knows how many
people involved at each hospital.
bp
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On 8/5/2020 10:44 AM, justsumname wrote:
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There is plenty of financial and political incentive for the numbers to be as
awful as they can almost justify them to be.
My governor publishes a report every day. The number in my county keeps going
up, never down. So the same guy who got it early and died, does he still count?
How about the ones who got it and 'recovered' ? What about the people who
tested only for the antibody? I guess they count as 'got it', too.
Anything goes, no honesty or transparency required. And the more dead people,
the better.
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On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 12:05 PM Ken Hohhof < af...@kwisp.com > wrote:
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I see young kids in places like stores wearing masks and they seem quite OK
with it, like having a backpack or a hat, this is what we do, no big deal go
ahead and play or shop or whatever we are here for. I am reminded of my
observation that people who need glasses from a young age tolerate it a lot
better than those of us who don’t need glasses until we turn 50.
On the other hand, there are some photos circulating of high school reopening
in states like Georgia that are quite frightening, I hope this is just social
media taking things out of context. I understand at that age the peer pressure
to not be uncool, but if this is really going on all over the place, we have an
experiment going on and may not like the results. Maybe we will discover that
teenagers don’t transmit the virus, but so far, magical thinking hasn’t worked
out so good.
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Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 10:41 AM
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But there should be a E ticket for the special people...
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 9:19 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
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I say treat it like triage. Healthcare workers first, then essential workers,
then people in assisted care and prisons. bp <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 8/5/2020 8:00 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
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I see these articles debating who should get a vaccine first, some arguing
young people should get it because they have more years ahead of them,
basically let the old people die. But if young people keep acting like idiots,
maybe they don’t have that many years after all. If the virus doesn’t get them,
some other stupid stunt will. Plus they will have enjoyed their short lives,
with all the partying.
Grumble, grumble.
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 9:19 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?
Illinois 7 day positive results average went from 4% positive to 3.9% positive
yesterday. So I guess that's good news. But reports are a majority of new cases
are from college age kids coming back to campuses and partying.
On 8/4/2020 10:57 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
<blockquote>
When I was seeing my Primary doc for a physical, he said that he feels the only
numbers worth looking at are % of positive tests, and Deaths/infections. The
total numbers don't mean anything.
Here in Illinois, we're sitting at ~4% positive for the last week, but 4.6%
positive yesterday, we were at 2.8% positive a month ago. I think some of the
'bad' states are upwards of 10% positive.
On 8/4/2020 10:29 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
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Yeahbut it isn’t looking terrific yet. It has flattened.
From: Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 9:25 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?
I think the most important chart is deaths per population
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Not wanting to jinx this but it looks promising.
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