I’ll bet you could build a triangle out of magnesium. Maybe with 8’
legs with ring at the end. Hoist it with a large balloon. Use the
three rings for guy wires. Run a small tube down a guy to replenish
the helium. Run power and Ethernet down another leg for the APs.
*From:* Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 9:29 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again
Steve mentioned licensed links. I don’t know if that’s “building back
better” or if they had licensed links previously.
But you’re not going to put licensed links on a flying COW. Even
temporary unlicensed links may need to go on a permanent structure.
The days when we’d feed a small site with an SM are over, and
apparently this site has 80 subs.
As an indication how things have changed, when we got started in
wireless, we gave every customer a backup dialup account. Of course
that would be useless today, and we got out of dialup entirely in
2009. Even then, customers would drive into town to use free WiFi
rather than use dialup. They could maybe get 80 mobile hotspots and
give them out to customers, I think on a business account they might
be genuinely unlimited. If they use Mikrotik CPE routers, there are
several models with LTE built in, or get some Cradlepoints. I like
the mobile hotspots better because they could be repurposed more
easily. Once upon a time I would have said WiFi only with no Ethernet
is a big problem, but most customers these days are 100% WiFi anyway.
*From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 10:14 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again
How high do you need to be for a 3 mile cell?
I wonder about a tethered drone. Powered from the ground. Or perhaps
a balloon. Not for this instant case but for the future. COWs that
fly. New company “Over the Moon”.
*From:*Ken Hohhof
*Sent:*Friday, October 9, 2020 8:48 AM
*To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again
I think Steve said it was a grain elevator or leg that got destroyed
in a derecho wind storm. I seem to remember he posted some photos.
I’m not sure if they are deploying on a concrete silo at the same site
or a different site.
We used to avoid grain legs and pay the rent to be on commercial
towers, but everything is forcing all of us to shrink our cells from
7-10 miles once upon a time to more like 3 miles today, so you really
can’t avoid using whatever structures are available unless you want to
build a lot of towers. That said, we are on a 400 ft commercial tower
with 5 licensed links and 10 sectors. If that sucker blew over, I
don’t know what we’d do, there are no nearby tall structures, and we
couldn’t bring in a 300 ft COW and put all that stuff on it. Luckily
the tower was reinforced to Rev. G and is unlikely to blow over, but
stuff happens, I remember one tower fell down when a vehicle went off
the road and snapped some guy wires. And there was an old AT&T Long
Lines tower in our area that blew over in a wind storm.
*From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes
*Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 9:26 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again
Or did the site actually fall over?
On Oct 9, 2020, at 10:25 AM, Matt Hoppes
<mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
I am just kind of curious here if you lost the site why has it
been such a disaster getting it back on line? You couldn’t just
put new equipment up?
On Oct 9, 2020, at 10:05 AM, David Milholen
<dmilho...@wletc.com> wrote:
All I can say to that situation is damn..
Find new people... sheesh
On 10/9/2020 12:19 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
We lost a primary sight in July during the storms. This is
a remote site feeding around 80 customers and has been a
shitshow getting back online. They were patient for a bit.
We've hit wall after wall, new lease delays, 5ghz
interference, multiple licensed links, wrong equipment,
new hardware failures, electricians running 220 to 110
circuits, contractors wife kidnapping a kid, if it could
go wrong it did. The town has had meetings over this and
we last promised to be production ready and problem free 2
weeks ago. At this point they're shopping our lease
probably. We have a multi year breakout on the lease and
can fix it, but in the interim they'll probably colocate a
competitor. Honestly, I cant blame them.
On Thu, Oct 8, 2020, 11:54 PM Darin Steffl
<darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> wrote:
Can you clarify what you mean by "80 customer site loss"?
Does this mean you'll miss out on potentially 80 new
customers or you'll lose 80 current customers if you
don't do said work?
If it's 80 new customers waiting for service, most
will wait an extra 2 weeks if you explain COVID has
taken out a guy. Some may go with a competitor but if
they suck, they'll be back to you eventually. We had
people wait up to 5 weeks for an install when we were
backed up from the COVID rush for service between
March-August.
On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 11:46 PM Steve Jones
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
So, I have a probable covid positive contractor.
I know the answer here, I'm just sounding it out.
I'm behind as fuck with this guys work. I worked
with him last weekend, I've been sick with harvest
flu since a couple days before, his daughter
tested positive the next day, his wife and other
daughter the day after that and he got sick
wednesday. Everybody is over symptoms (wife and
daughter still have no taste or smell, but that
lasts a long time)
My harvest flu symptoms havent changed, not
worried about me.
Hes wanting to catch up behind work saturday. I'm
usually very risk tolerant, and my house has been
directly exposed a ton of times, so I know it's
not as easily spread as they say.
Its mid harvest, a farmer getting this shit right
now could be devastating.
Its gonna cost us alot if he doesnt get caught up,
a substantial amount. Like 80 customer site loss
substantial. We arent big, that's more than 5 percent.
My boss respects me after all these years, if I
make a call, knowing the costs like this, he will
back my call, but it burns all those years of trust.
Theres like a .0001 percent chance he would spread
it, zero direct interaction. But hes present at
grain elevators mid harvest. Grain dust will drop
anything airborne like a rock. It takes an
exposure to a high viral count to even get
symptomatic.
Tell me I'm wrong to push his work out another
week or 2
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