String of balloons. That would be interesting to see. Could do it with kites.
From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 11:11 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again
I "could" launch a satellite with a steam cannon. It "could" deploy a big foil
dish that fans out after it's in orbit and that "could" connect to a WRT-54G
running Open-WRT in WDS repeater mode. Bam! WiFi in the whole beamwidth of my
dish.
I "could" use that to repeat the WiFi from my cellphone hotspot and share it
with all 80 people.
These are completely workable plans. Nothing physically stops this stuff from
happening. We "could" do them.
Actually with your balloon idea, why not tether a string of balloons to each
other with figure-8 cable? FTTH by balloon. That "could" be done too. Only the
first balloon in the string needs an anchor, the rest are anchored to each
other. So simple, I wonder why Google didn't think of it.
On 10/9/2020 1:01 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Just build a fence around it in the crash zone. Put a large UPS on it so it
has enough power to land during a power outage.
From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 10:46 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again
The word "could" is possibly the most dangerous one in the English language.
There's an infinite supply of insane stuff a person "could" do.
On 10/9/2020 11:40 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I’ll bet you could build a triangle out of magnesium. Maybe with 8’ legs
with ring at the end. Hoist it with a large balloon. Use the three rings for
guy wires. Run a small tube down a guy to replenish the helium. Run power and
Ethernet down another leg for the APs.
From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 9:29 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again
Steve mentioned licensed links. I don’t know if that’s “building back
better” or if they had licensed links previously.
But you’re not going to put licensed links on a flying COW. Even temporary
unlicensed links may need to go on a permanent structure. The days when we’d
feed a small site with an SM are over, and apparently this site has 80 subs.
As an indication how things have changed, when we got started in wireless,
we gave every customer a backup dialup account. Of course that would be
useless today, and we got out of dialup entirely in 2009. Even then, customers
would drive into town to use free WiFi rather than use dialup. They could
maybe get 80 mobile hotspots and give them out to customers, I think on a
business account they might be genuinely unlimited. If they use Mikrotik CPE
routers, there are several models with LTE built in, or get some Cradlepoints.
I like the mobile hotspots better because they could be repurposed more easily.
Once upon a time I would have said WiFi only with no Ethernet is a big
problem, but most customers these days are 100% WiFi anyway.
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 10:14 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again
How high do you need to be for a 3 mile cell?
I wonder about a tethered drone. Powered from the ground. Or perhaps a
balloon. Not for this instant case but for the future. COWs that fly. New
company “Over the Moon”.
From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 8:48 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again
I think Steve said it was a grain elevator or leg that got destroyed in a
derecho wind storm. I seem to remember he posted some photos. I’m not sure if
they are deploying on a concrete silo at the same site or a different site.
We used to avoid grain legs and pay the rent to be on commercial towers,
but everything is forcing all of us to shrink our cells from 7-10 miles once
upon a time to more like 3 miles today, so you really can’t avoid using
whatever structures are available unless you want to build a lot of towers.
That said, we are on a 400 ft commercial tower with 5 licensed links and 10
sectors. If that sucker blew over, I don’t know what we’d do, there are no
nearby tall structures, and we couldn’t bring in a 300 ft COW and put all that
stuff on it. Luckily the tower was reinforced to Rev. G and is unlikely to
blow over, but stuff happens, I remember one tower fell down when a vehicle
went off the road and snapped some guy wires. And there was an old AT&T Long
Lines tower in our area that blew over in a wind storm.
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 9:26 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again
Or did the site actually fall over?
On Oct 9, 2020, at 10:25 AM, Matt Hoppes
<mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
I am just kind of curious here if you lost the site why has it been such
a disaster getting it back on line? You couldn’t just put new equipment up?
On Oct 9, 2020, at 10:05 AM, David Milholen <dmilho...@wletc.com> wrote:
All I can say to that situation is damn..
Find new people... sheesh
On 10/9/2020 12:19 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
We lost a primary sight in July during the storms. This is a remote
site feeding around 80 customers and has been a shitshow getting back online.
They were patient for a bit. We've hit wall after wall, new lease delays, 5ghz
interference, multiple licensed links, wrong equipment, new hardware failures,
electricians running 220 to 110 circuits, contractors wife kidnapping a kid, if
it could go wrong it did. The town has had meetings over this and we last
promised to be production ready and problem free 2 weeks ago. At this point
they're shopping our lease probably. We have a multi year breakout on the lease
and can fix it, but in the interim they'll probably colocate a competitor.
Honestly, I cant blame them.
On Thu, Oct 8, 2020, 11:54 PM Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>
wrote:
Can you clarify what you mean by "80 customer site loss"?
Does this mean you'll miss out on potentially 80 new customers or
you'll lose 80 current customers if you don't do said work?
If it's 80 new customers waiting for service, most will wait an
extra 2 weeks if you explain COVID has taken out a guy. Some may go with a
competitor but if they suck, they'll be back to you eventually. We had people
wait up to 5 weeks for an install when we were backed up from the COVID rush
for service between March-August.
On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 11:46 PM Steve Jones
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
So, I have a probable covid positive contractor.
I know the answer here, I'm just sounding it out.
I'm behind as fuck with this guys work. I worked with him last
weekend, I've been sick with harvest flu since a couple days before, his
daughter tested positive the next day, his wife and other daughter the day
after that and he got sick wednesday. Everybody is over symptoms (wife and
daughter still have no taste or smell, but that lasts a long time)
My harvest flu symptoms havent changed, not worried about me.
Hes wanting to catch up behind work saturday. I'm usually very
risk tolerant, and my house has been directly exposed a ton of times, so I know
it's not as easily spread as they say.
Its mid harvest, a farmer getting this shit right now could be
devastating.
Its gonna cost us alot if he doesnt get caught up, a substantial
amount. Like 80 customer site loss substantial. We arent big, that's more than
5 percent.
My boss respects me after all these years, if I make a call,
knowing the costs like this, he will back my call, but it burns all those years
of trust.
Theres like a .0001 percent chance he would spread it, zero
direct interaction. But hes present at grain elevators mid harvest. Grain dust
will drop anything airborne like a rock. It takes an exposure to a high viral
count to even get symptomatic.
Tell me I'm wrong to push his work out another week or 2
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