I equate government owing everything with communism. All property, all
businesses. Everything.
I don’t care enough to read Marx to learn the true meaning.
To me, socialism is the government taking all or part of the money, not the
property, and then giving everyone back what they need.
We have and have had weird things in the country.
I imagine most of you don’t recall price controls.... by Nixon... Freeze on
all wages and prices.
Our 5th amendment allows the guvmnt to take your private property, but there
must be due process and equity.
Taking a bunch of buildings in a rundown part of town, then selling them all to
a developer is a glorious mix of communism, fascism, socialism, capitalism an
cronyism with some RICO thrown in... We don’t stick to any single “ism”
here...
From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 11:08 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
Part of the problem with discussing socialism is inconsistent definitions.
There are people saying they are "socialist" who think that just means the
government providing public welfare services. The original definition is
government controlling the economy.
Welfare is only socialist in the same way that any other government spending is
"socialist" in that some money is taken out of one sector the economy (tax) and
redirected to another one (spend). If that's socialism then all governments
have always been socialist ever since the dawn of time. And if having a formal
system in place to help people is socialist then the Mongol Horde was socialist
and so were Caribbean pirates and Powhatan Indians. Oh and Otto Von Bismark
too. (Hint: none of those are socialist)
There's also commonly assumed to be an equivalency between socialism and
communism. Communism is marked by rigid authoritarianism, statism, and
nationalism. They figure their socialist dreams will not be realized without
rigidly applied force. All communists are socialist, but not all socialists
are communist.
Here are some simple guidelines:
If they're seizing control of private companies and taking direct control of
them, then they're socialist.
If they're doing the above while also sending dissenters to be re-educated in
the gulag then they're communist.
If they're not doing the above and you're calling them Communist then you are
incorrect.
-Adam
On 11/13/2020 12:47 PM, Robert wrote:
Where the frick do people start throwing Communism around in regards to the
US. Sorry but this weird paranoid outlook is just getting to me. Growing up
in the 50's and 60's we knew what communism is/was and the US has never ever
_ever_ been close to supporting communism. We have been closer to having
islamic fundamentalism than communism. Radicals exist on BOTH sides of the
divide. Anyone out and the edges of the bell curve is a "Radical". And
there are plenty on both sides to go around. One side tends to have more guns
than the other. Socialism is the idea that society pulls together when it's
good for everyone, and we have plenty of that. Fire departments, water
departments, Social Security where the companies have to contribute 1/2 of the
payment. (not applicable to self-employed ). Medicare, Medicaid, these are
all examples of a society that cares for the less fortunate and decides that we
care about our fellow individuals. When, basically, the whole rest of the
world says that these are good things and that they should do even more, why
don't we and both sides of the isle decide that this would be good for us too?
Because the rich are running the show and taxes on the wealthy should be less
than taxes on the poor. And that they can keep shoving propaganda down our
throats that make us feel like that is the way it should be. OMG if you
aren't one of the 1% you are just getting screwed in so many ways. If you
aren't sitting on a mountain of PPE on your yacht in the warmer waters of the
world getting richer from your stock investments you are just bending over
wanting more. The last tax changes had so many screw-you-later clauses in it
for those making less than $5MM/year it was laughable. Yeah there were a
couple of things to make it so that you didn't notice your pain for a year or
two, but it's all there hidden in a 5" stack of FU...
As far as State and Federal laws being followed. EVERY DARN ONE of the
states election boards is screaming that they are doing to the best it's ever
been done. Propping up people who say they cheated and then recant doesn't
look good to anyone. Chasing down military families that are voting the way
they have been told to for 50 years looks worse. Saying that the democrats
cheated on the Presidential election but couldn't on the Senate, yeah that
sounds like a good plan..
Oh btw what you wrote as "
Anyone here know what 'communism' looks like before it fully shows up? NOT
the Trump side ...
"
Says that the tRump side doesn't know what communism looks like before it
shows up. Which I agree with. tRump supporters seem to be missing all the
clues of a leadership running around with their hair on fire...
Robert <- Because Lent seems to be seriously broken today...
On 11/13/20 9:17 AM, justsumname wrote:
Insisting that State and Federal laws be followed in the election is NOT
'undermining' the country. Just the opposite.
Firing people who are sympathetic to the radicals is NOT 'undermining' the
country. Just the opposite.
Polar-opposite worlds. I just don't get it. Anyone here know what
'communism' looks like before it fully shows up? NOT the Trump side ...
Ya know... it was BIDEN in the first debate who said he would accept the
election after all states were certified......
If Biden wins -- legally and properly -- then so be it. Everyone should
desire transparency and legality, 100% of the way. Especially nowadays.
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On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 11:26 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Morons can say what they will, because that's what they do, like trained
monkeys. "Orange man bad", good little trainee.
I can tell you this, they gave my dad his first dose of remdesivere
tonite, you can rest assured, podunk Illinois wouldnt be giving podunk 78 year
old man a medication like that as a first line med if the scamdemic hadn't been
handled like a boss. See pandemic is pandemic, there is no such thing as
"handling it right" l anybody who says there is is a part of the above
mentioned group of morons.
50 50 if the old man comes home. But my orange "buffoon" opened a door
that got his odds up from the original 80 percent coffin rate.
That's what I laugh at "orange man bad" idiots that spout their
hypocrisy, bigotry and generally retarded tripe.
Rotflmao, however some more cliches... the change my mind
On Wed, Nov 11, 2020, 8:27 PM Chuck Macenski <ch...@macenski.com> wrote:
If Trump were trying to undermine the United States, what would he be
doing differently?
On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 8:14 PM Robert <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:
Having the DOJ chase down military people who vote out of state for
years because of normal military transfers ( 3K so far in NV ) which has been
the normal state of affairs for over 70 years and characterize that as voter
fraud is going a little bit too far in my book. I still am hoping that he is
going after that more about raising money than actually thinking he can corrupt
the belief in the voting system.
On 11/11/20 7:38 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I don’t agree at all. Trump got elected because more than half the
country really really really disliked Hillary.
Really really really disliked Hillary.
I don’t know of anyone that voted for Trump because they liked him.
Everyone I know thought he was an ass hat from the get go.
Second, you all have seen, first hand, for 4 years how little a
president can actually do to harm a country. Not much. He didn’t start any
wars so that is about the most damaging thing he can do. He didn’t act on the
virus properly but lots of countries fall into the same category. He
embarrassed us on the world stage. That is about it. Congress can affect us.
Presidents not so much.
We have always had nationalists here. It is part of the culture.
Some call it patriotism. I don’t think it is bad. I am not a globalist. I
support our country and our national interests above other nations. Part of
rooting for the home team. Being a patriot is a far stretch from dictatorship.
From: Jaime Solorza
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 8:01 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
The scariest part is how many actually voted for an inept
nationalist xenophobic clown ...it portends of bad things ahead. Study history
and you will see how this nationalism fervor led to Nazi growth in Europe...
The proof is overwhelming...
Prove me wrong.
On Tue, Nov 10, 2020, 9:41 PM Steve Jones
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
I cant take credit on that one
Heres some crazy stuff, I'm pretty sure offering up campaign
funds for anything other than a campaign is illegal.
I told you guys, this is gonna get hilarious. By the time it's
all said and done, theyll find 100 percent evidence biden cheated and there
will be no republicans left not in prison for the RNC to put in the big seat.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/texas-lt-gov-dan-patrick-offers-dollar1-million-in-campaign-funds-for-voter-fraud-evidence
Was reading another article from one of the mainstreams about
what happens if there is no certification and the congress has to vote in a new
potus, apparently it's not limited to the two candidates, it's got to do with
aggregate votes and would potentially leave bernie sanders in a position to be
president. Its was MSM and they're full of shit all the time but it sounded
good. Can you imagine that, the dnc fucked this guy over twice in a concerted
effort, particularly in 2016 when he had a real good chance of beating the
republican., and then he pulls that feat off. I'd love it. I hate his policies,
and hed have zero chance of implementing 95 percent of them, but I'd pay to
watch that happen.
On Tue, Nov 10, 2020, 9:37 PM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
wrote:
I might have to write that one down.
On 11/10/2020 10:32 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
> Hard times breed strong men, string men breed good times,
good times
> breed weak men, weak men breed hard times.
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