Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

Fri, 13 Nov 2020 10:26:23 -0800 

Adam, As usual.. nailed it.

On 11/13/20 10:08 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:



Part of the problem with discussing socialism is inconsistent 
definitions.  There are people saying they are "socialist" who think 
that just means the government providing public welfare services.  The 
original definition is government controlling the economy.



Welfare is only socialist in the same way that any other government 
spending is "socialist" in that some money is taken out of one sector 
the economy (tax) and redirected to another one (spend).  If that's 
socialism then all governments have always been socialist ever since 
the dawn of time.  And if having a formal system in place to help 
people is socialist then the Mongol Horde was socialist and so were 
Caribbean pirates and Powhatan Indians.  Oh and Otto Von Bismark too.  
(Hint: none of those are socialist)



There's also commonly assumed to be an equivalency between socialism 
and communism.  Communism is marked by rigid authoritarianism, 
statism, and nationalism.  They figure their socialist dreams will not 
be realized without rigidly applied force.  All communists are 
socialist, but not all socialists are communist.


Here are some simple guidelines:


If they're seizing control of private companies and taking direct 
control of them, then they're socialist.



If they're doing the above while also sending dissenters to be 
re-educated in the gulag then they're communist.



If they're not doing the above and you're calling them Communist then 
you are incorrect.


-Adam


On 11/13/2020 12:47 PM, Robert wrote:

Where the frick do people start throwing Communism around in regards 
to the US.   Sorry but this weird paranoid outlook is just getting to 
me.   Growing up in the 50's and 60's we knew what communism is/was 
and the US has never ever _ever_ been close to supporting 
communism.   We have been closer to having islamic fundamentalism 
than communism.   Radicals exist on BOTH sides of the divide.   
Anyone out and the edges of the bell curve is a "Radical".   And 
there are plenty on both sides to go around.   One side tends to have 
more guns than the other.   Socialism is the idea that society pulls 
together when it's good for everyone, and we have plenty of that. 
Fire departments, water departments, Social Security where the 
companies have to contribute 1/2 of the payment. (not applicable to 
self-employed ).   Medicare, Medicaid, these are all examples of a 
society that cares for the less fortunate and decides that we care 
about our fellow individuals.  When, basically, the whole rest of the 
world says that these are good things and that they should do even 
more, why don't we and both sides of the isle decide that this would 
be good for us too?   Because the rich are running the show and taxes 
on the wealthy should be less than taxes on the poor.   And that they 
can keep shoving propaganda down our throats that make us feel like 
that is the way it should be.   OMG if you aren't one of the 1% you 
are just getting screwed in so many ways. If you aren't sitting on a 
mountain of PPE on your yacht in the warmer waters of the world 
getting richer from your stock investments you are just bending over 
wanting more.  The last tax changes had so many screw-you-later 
clauses in it for those making less than $5MM/year it was laughable.  
Yeah there were a couple of things to make it so that you didn't 
notice your pain for a year or two, but it's all there hidden in a 5" 
stack of FU...



As far as State and Federal laws being followed.  EVERY DARN ONE of 
the states election boards is screaming that they are doing to the 
best it's ever been done.     Propping up people who say they cheated 
and then recant doesn't look good to anyone.   Chasing down military 
families that are voting the way they have been told to for 50 years 
looks worse.  Saying that the democrats cheated on the Presidential 
election but couldn't on the Senate, yeah that sounds like a good plan..


Oh btw what you wrote as "

Anyone here know what 'communism' looks like before it fully shows 
up?   NOT the Trump side ...

"

Says that the tRump side doesn't know what communism looks like 
before it shows up.  Which I agree with.  tRump supporters seem to be 
missing all the clues of a leadership running around with their hair 
on fire...


Robert <-   Because Lent seems to be seriously broken today...



On 11/13/20 9:17 AM, justsumname wrote:

Insisting that State and Federal laws be followed in the election is 
NOT 'undermining' the country.  Just the opposite.
Firing people who are sympathetic to the radicals is NOT 
'undermining' the country.   Just the opposite.
Polar-opposite worlds.   I just don't get it.   Anyone here know 
what 'communism' looks like before it fully shows up?   NOT the 
Trump side ...



Ya know... it was BIDEN in the first debate who said he would accept 
the election after all states were certified......



If Biden wins -- legally and properly -- then so be it.   Everyone 
should desire transparency and legality, 100% of the way.  
 Especially nowadays.


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On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 11:26 PM Steve Jones 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:


    Morons can say what they will, because that's what they do, like
    trained monkeys. "Orange man bad", good little trainee.
    I can tell you this, they gave my dad his first dose of
    remdesivere tonite, you can rest assured, podunk Illinois
    wouldnt be giving podunk 78 year old man a medication like that
    as a first line med if the scamdemic hadn't been handled like a
    boss. See pandemic is pandemic, there is no such thing as
    "handling it right" l anybody who says there is is a part of the
    above mentioned group of morons.

    50 50 if the old man comes home. But my orange "buffoon" opened
    a door that got his odds up from the original 80 percent coffin
    rate.

    That's what I laugh at "orange man bad" idiots that spout their
    hypocrisy, bigotry and generally retarded tripe.

    Rotflmao, however some more cliches... the change my mind

    On Wed, Nov 11, 2020, 8:27 PM Chuck Macenski <ch...@macenski.com
    <mailto:ch...@macenski.com>> wrote:

        If Trump were trying to undermine the United States, what
        would he be doing differently?

        On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 8:14 PM Robert
        <i...@avantwireless.com <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:

            Having the DOJ chase down military people who vote out
            of state for years because of normal military transfers
            ( 3K so far in NV ) which has been the normal state of
            affairs for over 70 years and characterize that as voter
            fraud is going a little bit too far in my book.  I still
            am hoping that he is going after that more about raising
            money than actually thinking he can corrupt the belief
            in the voting system.


            On 11/11/20 7:38 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
            <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

            I don’t agree at all.  Trump got elected because more
            than half the country really really really disliked
            Hillary.
            Really really really disliked Hillary.
            I don’t know of anyone that voted for Trump because
            they liked him.  Everyone I know thought he was an ass
            hat from the get go.
            Second, you all have seen, first hand, for 4 years how
            little a president can actually do to harm a country. 
            Not much.  He didn’t start any wars so that is about
            the most damaging thing he can do.  He didn’t act on
            the virus properly but lots of countries fall into the
            same category.  He embarrassed us on the world stage. 
            That is about it. Congress can affect us.  Presidents
            not so much.
            We have always had nationalists here.  It is part of
            the culture.  Some call it patriotism. I don’t think it
            is bad.  I am not a globalist.  I support our country
            and our national interests above other nations.  Part
            of rooting for the home team.  Being a patriot is a far
            stretch from dictatorship.
            *From:* Jaime Solorza
            *Sent:* Wednesday, November 11, 2020 8:01 AM
            *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
            *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
            The scariest part is how many actually voted for an
            inept nationalist xenophobic clown ...it portends of
            bad things ahead. Study history and you will see how
            this nationalism fervor led to Nazi growth in Europe...
            The proof is overwhelming...
            Prove me wrong.
            On Tue, Nov 10, 2020, 9:41 PM Steve Jones
            <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

                I cant take credit on that one
                Heres some crazy stuff, I'm pretty sure offering up
                campaign funds for anything other than a campaign
                is illegal.
                I told you guys, this is gonna get hilarious. By
                the time it's all said and done, theyll find 100
                percent evidence biden cheated and there will be no
                republicans left not in prison for the RNC to put
                in the big seat.
                
https://www.thedailybeast.com/texas-lt-gov-dan-patrick-offers-dollar1-million-in-campaign-funds-for-voter-fraud-evidence
                Was reading another article from one of the
                mainstreams about what happens if there is no
                certification and the congress has to vote in a new
                potus, apparently it's not limited to the two
                candidates, it's got to do with aggregate votes and
                would potentially leave bernie sanders in a
                position to be president. Its was MSM and they're
                full of shit all the time but it sounded good. Can
                you imagine that, the dnc fucked this guy over
                twice in a concerted effort, particularly in 2016
                when he had a real good chance of beating the
                republican., and then he pulls that feat off. I'd
                love it. I hate his policies, and hed have zero
                chance of implementing 95 percent of them, but I'd
                pay to watch that happen.
                On Tue, Nov 10, 2020, 9:37 PM Adam Moffett
                <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

                    I might have to write that one down.

                    On 11/10/2020 10:32 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
                    > Hard times breed strong men, string men breed
                    good times, good times
                    > breed weak men, weak men breed hard times.


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