I just rebuilt our librenms server on ubuntu. It doesnt seem bad, lots of google answers. Webmin looks cool, dont knownifnits the new webmin or because it's on ubuntu. I dont care for the weird adapter naming and this yaml thing for configuring them. Commands arent that different. Not sure if theres a way to enable root user or not. I like that a lot of google advice is nano centric and not vi, I never could figure out vi
On Thu, Dec 17, 2020, 7:11 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: > Cool. I hope they change the name though. > > > > This is reminding me of Mickey Mouse as the Sorcerer’s Apprentice in > Fantasia, when he tries to stop the broom with an ax, only to have the > splinters turn into a multitude of brooms. > > > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince > *Sent:* Thursday, December 17, 2020 6:23 PM > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead? > > > > More options: > > > https://www.zdnet.com/article/cloudlinux-to-invest-more-than-a-million-dollar-a-year-into-centos-clone/ > > > > bp > > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > > On 12/13/2020 12:42 PM, Josh Baird wrote: > > RHEL pricing is highly dependent on volume. Nobody typically pays > advertised pricing. But, it's still not cheap, especially at scale. You > can buy per instance (or guest) or license an entire hypervisor for > unlimited instances of RHEL. > > > > Your subscription basically allows you to access their repository of > updates (think yum/dnf update), knowledge base, and ability to open cases > (with some levels of subscription). > > > > On Sun, Dec 13, 2020 at 2:47 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: > > Just to cover all the bases, what does it cost to use RHEL? I find their > web page a little confusing. Is it $350 or $800? And that’s per server > per year, right? Does it turn into a pumpkin if you don’t renew the > license every year? That seems pretty expensive especially if you don’t > need support and are basically just getting a distribution and repositories > for open source software. > > > > Actually I’m still a little confused about their pricing. The $350 > version says no VMs and not intended for production use. Does that mean > you are violating the terms of the license if you use it in production, or > just their way of saying you can’t open support tickets? And are there > add-ons that would be cost yet more for a basic server application? > > > > For the first few years I actually used RHEL, I forget if I had to pay > upfront or every year. That just does not sound feasible. > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Lincs Chel > *Sent:* Sunday, December 13, 2020 1:27 PM > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead? > > > > Hi Josh; > > OK. Thanks for expanding your thoughts and info on the Oracle Linux > distro and Oracle. It allows one to appreciate the context. This will > certainly educate and assist an inexperienced Linux user who is information > gathering to make some sound judgements about the CentOS and Oracle Linux > distros and where to go. > > Yeah, I concur with your view that the majority of users that is currently > using the free CentOS distro, is most likely going to be seeking the same > in any alternative they elect to use as a replacement for CentOS. Also > Oracle's past history on acquisitions and Open Source projects certainly > makes one really think hard about going into their camp; Java, MySQL, ZFS > etc. comes to mind. > > Most of the Linux training I have come across so far also seems to use > CentOS as a start. So this will be interesting as well. > > Lincoln > > On 13/12/2020 10:02 AM, Josh Baird wrote: > > Lincs, > > > > One could also say that Stream is also a "direct binary replacement" for > CentOS. In fact, to switch a CentOS system to Steam, all you need to do is > modify your repo definitions. > > > > You are correct, OL isn't meant to be only used for Oracle software and > appliances, but it usually is. I didn't mean to insinuate otherwise. You > will very rarely find a shop running OL just because they want to. > > > > Bottom line - Oracle is a monster that I don't want to get in bed with. I > was in the enterprise sector for many years and saw first hand how terrible > Oracle's products and software really is. I have watched companies spend > *millions* of dollars on Oracle products that are barely functional and > could have been replaced with other working solutions at a fraction of the > cost. Nothing you say will convince me otherwise :) To each his own, > though! > > > > Ultimately, I don't believe the majority of CentOS users will want to pay > for RHEL/OL. They will just switch to Steam/Rocky/etc or make the move to > Debian (which can be a massive undertaking in itself depending on how much > time/effort/money you have invested in tooling, etc for EL based distros). > > > > Cheers, > > > > Josh > > > > On Sun, Dec 13, 2020 at 8:44 AM Lincs Chel <lhan...@enc-tech.com> wrote: > > Hi Josh; > > An interesting 'emotional' response to the CentOS dilemma . It seems to > miss the objective of finding an immediate, short-term and/or possible > long-term solution for a CentOS replacement for the community. If you look > at the Oracle Linux information, it is a direct binary replacement for > CentOS right out of the box; usable right-away. Nor does it appear to be > just an appliance based product and only meant for Oracle software. That > would be a misleading characterization of their product and to an > inexperienced Linux end-user. It's almost suggesting to a person, that you > can't run other software on top of Microsoft Windows unless it came from > Microsoft itself, or iOS, unless it's from Apple and so on. It does > however appear that they (Oracle) are suggesting that you will get a really > great experience with their software running on top of Oracle Linux rather > than RedHat's version or CentOS or some other Linux distro. I also think > Oracle Linux is being positioned for the cloud based network in which all > of the big-ones wants to compete head-to-head. Oracle Linux gives Oracle > sort of control as to an OS you can readily and easily pick when on their > cloud platform that is based on a well known Open Source Linux. Makes > sense for them to keep it going. I suspect IBM is positioning itself like > that as well. They now have RedHat on their cloud platform and control its > direction. They're all aiming for AWS and Microsoft (which has Azure and > Windows). > > Oracle Linux code and/or OS runs without any contortions for the end-user, > both experienced and inexperienced Linux users can benefit from this. > Essentially one can basically continue running a CentOS environment right > now if they wish and/or choose to do so using the Oracle Linux software. > And, more importantly without any subscription fees, i.e. for free. I > think their subscription pricing looks very reasonable as well for what its > worth especially if you're rookie and on a budget. Nothing like hand > holding from a single source, than Googling the entire net and wading > through tons of blogs and different ideas when you're stuck. > > Yes, Oracle doesn't appear to always play well with the Open Source > community products. But that can be perception. But I would say most of > the big companies who use and/or own Open Source software as their > business, don't do things the free and Open Source users like all the > time. All trying to protect their turf, products and revenue. > > Oracle can be seen as the 'evil' one, don't trust them with a 10-ft pole. > Likewise Microsoft, RedHat, IBM, Amazon, Google, Apple and all those crazy > new free-software licensing terms and models software companies. > > CloudLinux is also an option for a direct replacement. But this appears > to be only by subscription only for right now. When I had last checked on > it, it was not free and required a subscription that didn't appear > inexpensive. But more expensive for someone that is usually accustomed to > paying $0.00 for their server software. > > > > Lincoln > > On 13/12/2020 12:16 AM, Josh Baird wrote: > > Sorry, but nobody in their right mind runs Oracle Linux unless you're > using Oracle software and appliances that require you to run OL for support. > > > > On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 10:22 PM Lincs Chel <lhan...@enc-tech.com> wrote: > > Hi; > > I think another option to consider would be Oracle Linux. Consider the > following from their blog, news and website:- > > > - If you are reading this blog, you are probably a CentOS user and are > in the position where you need to look at alternatives going forward. > Switching to Oracle Linux is easy. > > > - > > https://blogs.oracle.com/linux/need-a-stable%2c-rhel-compatible-alternative-to-centos-three-reasons-to-consider-oracle-linux > > > - Need a stable, RHEL compatible alternative to CentOS? > > > - https://www.oracle.com/linux/ > > > > Another option if you're using cPanel & WHM is to most likely use them as > a good guide:- > > - cPanel Support For CentOS 8 And More > > > - https://blog.cpanel.com/centos-8-end-of-life-announcement/ > > > > And, if you're coming from the old Cobalt Networks RaQ server era days > and/or BlueOnyx, they have a good blog, news & comments. Probably their > posture may be the best position to take when looking and/or want to > "marry" with a particular distro which had various roadmaps during their > history. > > > - BlueOnyx has been available on CentOS since CentOS 5, but as the > CentOS project never was without issues and unpredictability. Therefore > we've never been fully "married" to it. It's always been more of a matter > of convenience than one of choice. We even departed briefly from CentOS > during the CentOS 6 days and favored Scientific Linux 6 instead. Since then > we kept our eyes and ears open for alternatives and also contemplated > contingencies. > > > > - You are here: Welcome to BlueOnyx» News > CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream > > > - > > https://www.blueonyx.it/news/280/54/CentOS-Project-shifts-focus-to-CentOS-Stream/d,Simplex%20News%20Detail > > Based on BlueOnyx website news, they have indicated the original founder > of CentOS is considering a possible return:- > > And like mentioned above: We're not the only ones whom RedHat pulled the > rug out from under our feet. > > In fact Gregory Kurtzer (co-founder of CentOS) had this to say > <https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/#comment-183642>: > > I am considering creating another rebuild of RHEL and may even be able to > hire some people for this effort. If you are interested in helping, please > join the HPCng slack (link on the website hpcng.org). > > Greg (original founder of CentOS) > > > > If you've installed and use cnMaestro and Cambium's software on CentOS, > then the impact may even be more on your operations. I am guessing > Cambium's cnMaestro may drop support for CentOS eventually. > > > > Lincoln > > > > On 12/12/2020 11:39 AM, Bill Prince wrote: > > Mostly. IBM charges quite a bit for it, but they're big blue. Not sure > what they're getting out of their multi-billion dollar purchase, but we > would have to sit in their board room to understand their thinking. I > wouldn't be surprised to see that they are saving money by getting all > those community developers do the work for next to nothing. Sure cuts down > on the expenses in the development department. > > The only real issue is which version of linux you want hook your wagon to. > I used Centos for quite a long time; mainly because it was "enterprise". > Then it go too "enterprise" for my taste, and have since switched to > Debian. It's the same, but different. Same enough for my taste, and > down-homey enough for the small operation we are. > > NBD. > > > > bp > > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > > On 12/12/2020 8:14 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > > Linux... linux is free... right? > > > > *From:* Ken Hohhof > > *Sent:* Saturday, December 12, 2020 8:39 AM > > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead? > > > > I guess it would have been naïve of us all to expect no change when IBM > acquired RedHat. > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf > Of *Steve Jones > *Sent:* Friday, December 11, 2020 11:58 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> <af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead? > > > > Holy shit, I just took a cursory look at redhat pricing. Starts at 350 a > year per server, physical server only, and not intended for production use. > 2500 a year for the data center if I read it right > > > > I run webmin to manage package updates and BIND. If I'm reading correctly > ubuntu isnt terrible, just less security patched since it's all opensource > and not subsidized by a big dog like red hat. Probably doable, but no yum. > > > > Has something like this happenned with centos historically? I assume the > linux community will bring about a comparable solution or resolution. > > > > This just stinks, I had my centos process down. > > > > Is this end of life like a microst end of life where they just keep > patching and saying they mean it this time for years? > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 11:28 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: > > Supposedly there will be CentOS Stream? Kind of like RHEL beta instead of > RHEL day old bread. I guess their answer would be if you are using it in a > production environment you could always pay for RHEL. Or there’s Fedora. > I believe Preseem runs on Fedora. > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett > *Sent:* Friday, December 11, 2020 10:19 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead? > > > > Debian is like Ubuntu ,only better. ;-) > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> > *Sent: *Friday, December 11, 2020 5:12:13 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead? > > I've been a peasant my whole life, is there any other way? > > I think powercode is ubuntu now, so I'll probably go that route, are there > major differences to it? > > I dont like saying ubuntu, too much like ubnt > > > > On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 3:47 PM Seth Mattinen <se...@rollernet.us> wrote: > > On 12/11/20 13:21, Steve Jones wrote: > > Am I reading all this right? Redhat officially killed centos and its > > tombstoned in 2021? > > > > Everything I run is centos. It's not like I know centos but I have my > > resource sets on where to go to resolve anything that pops up. > > > > Is this just a normal thing in the linux world where something is ended > > but actually just rebrands and keeps going or is it a legit end of the > OS? > > > It happens. Someone will probably fork it and make up a new distro if > that hasn't happened already. 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