There are people with garages with basements who don't believe in aliens, but there are people with garages and basements who DO believe in aliens.  So it checks out.

On 12/28/2020 11:26 AM, James Howard wrote:

I dunno….  I don’t believe there are any aliens in my garage.

*From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of * Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2020 10:23 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

That checks out.

On 12/28/2020 11:20 AM, James Howard wrote:

    You’re saying that people with garages with basements believe in
    aliens?

    *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
    <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
    *Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2020 8:07 AM
    *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <af@af.afmug.com>
    <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

    How many people on this list would have to make the same
    disclaimer if they gave someone their house?

    I remember a discussion not too long ago about people whose
    garages had basements.

    *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
    <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
    *Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2020 11:14 PM
    *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com
    <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

    This is getting better and better. Dude supposedly believed in
    aliens and sent a weird letter to the 29 yo broad about his
    plywood attic and weird basement. This is the gift that keeps on
    giving

    On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 7:01 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com
    <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

        Well, if you want to believe DailyMail, he may have had a
        “relationship” with the 29 year old woman’s mother. So you may
        be close.

        And a neighbor may have reported to the FBI a year ago that he
        was making bombs in his RV.  And that his RV may have been
        spotted at the bombing site in the days prior as if he had
        been scouting the site.

        *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
        <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
        *Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2020 6:51 PM
        *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com
        <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
        *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

        He supposedly gave 2 houses to 2 women who didnt know him.

        This is it guys, they have the evidence

        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iMhDySGyI9E
        <https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iMhDySGyI9E>

        Except the guy goes from chemtrails to missiles to direct
        energy weapons.

        This is gonna get super fun.

        Deep state psyop

        Even saw a guy point out  - AN th ON y Q uinn WARN er

        Dudes, Q knows. 63 years ago Q genetically modified this super
        soldier silent cell to activate should the deep state try to
        subvert power from the people.

        I'm going to feed these people. I may even have to get on
        4chan again.

        On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 6:35 PM Chuck McCown via AF
        <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:

            I am guessing he gave the house to a daughter.  Maybe she
            didn’t even know.

            Sent from my iPhone

                On Dec 27, 2020, at 5:31 PM, Ken Hohhof
                <af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

                

                Most people have some level of mental illness after 2020.

                As for the specifics, which clue do you want to hang
                your hat on? AT&T?  Lyrics to “Downtown”?  Or deeding
                his house and his brother’s house to the mystery
                woman, who deeded the brother’s house back to the mother.

                *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
                <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Chuck
                McCown via AF
                *Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2020 6:11 PM
                *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
                <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
                *Cc:* Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com
                <mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>>
                *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

                So, what was his deal other than mental illness?

                *From:*Jaime Solorza

                *Sent:*Sunday, December 27, 2020 4:13 PM

                *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

                *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

                "Google News - Anthony Quinn Warner confirmed by DNA
                test as Nashville Christmas bomber"
                
https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEHUCEHOSLLivFnb4b9F354UqGAgEKg8IACoHCAowhK-LAjD4ySww69W0BQ?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen
                
<https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEHUCEHOSLLivFnb4b9F354UqGAgEKg8IACoHCAowhK-LAjD4ySww69W0BQ?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen>

                On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 2:40 PM Chuck McCown via AF
                <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:

                    I have no idea how many monster generators FB has
                    in Utah. Plus double redundant feeds from Rocky
                    Mountain Power. Its own substation. Plus it has
                    fiber from others that I did not put in. So who
                    knows how many routes they have out of town.  And
                    this is just the first phase of four for that
                    site.  Even a Oklahoma sized anfo bomb would not
                    be able to damage more than about 10% of the place.

                    *From:*Robert

                    *Sent:*Saturday, December 26, 2020 2:24 PM

                    *To:*af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>

                    *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

                    The first serious "data center" I got to tour in
                    the 80's was run by GE and had power on either
                    side of the racks from separate _Grids_  one side
                    was Canadian and the other was the NY grid.   They
                    felt confident that it would take a CME to take
                    that down and then inside the shielded building
                    they had a GE power turbine for the off grid
                    power.   With a building full of fuel to power it
                    for 22 days.. This was way before the Internet.

                    On 12/26/20 9:50 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

                        I seem to remember that in Chicago the
                        telephone COs had redundant power feeds out
                        opposite sides of the building to different
                        substations. (plus battery and diesel backup) 
                        Fiber routes probably similar.

                        *From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
                        <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of
                        *Chuck McCown via AF
                        *Sent:* Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:34 AM
                        *To:* Matt Hoppes
                        mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net
                        <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>;
                        AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
                        mailto:af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
                        *Cc:* ch...@go-mtc.com <mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>
                        *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

                        It didn’t.  One single isolated incident is
                        not a coordinated attack on 100 or 1000
                        datacenters. This is the rude fart of an
                        anarchist.

                        And you watch how fast the network heals in
                        Nashville...

                        *From:*Matt Hoppes

                        *Sent:*Saturday, December 26, 2020 10:31 AM

                        *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

                        *Cc:*ch...@go-mtc.com <mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>

                        *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

                        Except it just did.

                            On Dec 26, 2020, at 12:15 PM, Chuck McCown
                            via AF <af@af.afmug.com
                            <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:

                            

                            My opinion is this kind of thinking is
                            total horseshit.

                            FB alone has about 100 data centers.

                            The one I installed all their long haul
                            routes to has 5 large cables running
                            hundreds of miles radiating from the data
                            center in all the ordinal compass points. 
                            Just knowing which gravel road out in the
                            country has a FB cable and then cutting
                            it, does not take them down.  You will
                            have to hit all the routes.

                            Then the buildings itself is huge.  Like a
                            square mile huge.  100% poured reinforced
                            concrete. Even if you had a rider truck
                            full of anfo you would get shot at while
                            driving through the perimeter fence and
                            then you would just wipe out some
                            administrative offices etc. Not even get
                            close to where the servers are.

                            And then do that 100 other places at the
                            same time?

                            And then you only got FB. Google, Amazon...

                            Never gonna happen.

                            *From:*Matt Hoppes

                            *Sent:*Saturday, December 26, 2020 9:58 AM

                            *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

                            *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

                            Yes. Fiber can be repaired. And then
                            repaired again. And then repaired again.
                            It all adds up down the route. Plus the
                            data center is destroyed.

                            While folks are concentrating on ground
                            zero the fiber is being destroyed at
                            multiple places down the road.

                            Then with infrastructure destroyed a major
                            attack of some sort takes place.

                                On Dec 26, 2020, at 11:54 AM, Bill
                                Prince <part15...@gmail.com
                                <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

                                

                                You don't need a terrorist to take out
                                the satellites. One well-timed CME
                                will do it all.

                                bp

                                <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

                                On 12/26/2020 8:27 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

                                    At least the satellites are safe,
                                    we have Space Force.

                                    *From:*AF
                                    mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
                                    <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
                                    *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes
                                    *Sent:* Saturday, December 26,
                                    2020 10:18 AM
                                    *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users
                                    Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
                                    <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
                                    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center
                                    Security

                                    Never thought about that. Yo get
                                    the data center back up. But your
                                    fibers all down. In 5 places. But
                                    you only find out once you get one
                                    back together.

                                    Yeah. We’re safe because no one
                                    has done it. Not because we’re safe.

                                        On Dec 26, 2020, at 11:14 AM,
                                        Darin Steffl
                                        <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com
                                        <mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>>
                                        wrote:

                                        

                                        I've thought about how
                                        vulnerable the entire US power
                                        and communications grid is.

                                        It would be so easy to cut
                                        multiple long haul fibers,
                                        plant bombs at large power
                                        transmission lines and then
                                        sync it all together to
                                        explode, cut things at the
                                        same time. It could easily be
                                        done in rural areas only but
                                        still affect metros since they
                                        all feed from rural power and
                                        fiber lines.

                                        There's also no cameras or as
                                        many people monitoring things
                                        in the middle of nowhere. If
                                        this was done over multiple
                                        states and targeted multiple
                                        grids and fibers, you could
                                        almost knock out 90% of all
                                        power and communication. This
                                        would hurt more than any
                                        single location attack.

                                        On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 9:54 AM
                                        Matt Hoppes
                                        <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net
                                        
<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>>
                                        wrote:

                                            I hesitated on where to
                                            post this. Not that I
                                            think I’m giving anyone
                                            any ideas - but still.

                                            What happened in Nashville
                                            has actually been a
                                            concern of mine for some
                                            time.

                                            Look at 9/11. Huge loss of
                                            life yes. But that took a
                                            lot of effort and planning
                                            and getting through
                                            security and learning to
                                            basically fly a massive
                                            tin projectile.

                                            How much more damage could
                                            a small group do with 5 or
                                            6 vans loaded with
                                            explosives in a
                                            coordinated attack on say:
                                            NYC, 401N Broad, Ashburn,
                                            St Louis, Chicago and San
                                            Jose?

                                            Throw in a few major CO
                                            switching offices in some
                                            major towns.

                                            You’ve caused mass
                                            disaster. Minimal
                                            planning. And now with 911
                                            services out and data
                                            crippled you could do
                                            something else even more
                                            major.
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