anybody looked into the squatter laws how those creeps are able
to occasionally take possession of properties and magically
become the lawful owners? seems that may be the least
expensive way to obtain things
On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 10:34 AM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com
<mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:
California has a similar law. The period is 5 years, and
there are a
series of points that need to be made. If the easement is
considered
valid then the court "may" issue a payment to the land owner
over which
the easement is granted.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 1/3/2021 7:54 PM, Brian Webster wrote:
> Sometimes a good land surveyor can help you get a
prescriptive easement in situations like this. Mt brother is
a surveyor so my understanding of how he has done this in
some cases is probably not the legal way of describing it. MY
understanding is it goes like this. If a person has been
granted easement over a property over a period of time (I
think 5 or 10 years but not sure) and there is evidence that
it has been permitted (an old farm lane or access road is a
good example) that has not been challenged by the property
owner that you cannot use that access road. Then at least in
NY that can be legally called a prescriptive easement, and as
such you can actually file that and record it as a deeded
easement. It's not an easy process and there is a lot of
posturing and the case law has to be argued in court in a lot
of cases. So in some cases that he has helped, he looked up
historical aerial images (not on line but at the local soil
and water conservation district) and found stuff dating back
to say 1927 or 1954. In these cases there was a lot less
forest and he could see a farm lane or access road that was
used. Enough use that it's very evident from the phot. Then
with this information, he will go out on the land and try to
find hints of that road or access lane. If he finds that
road, even in the current forested area, he helped the
landlocked property owner gain that prescriptive easement and
then recorded a deeded easement.
>
> Some of that cheap land locked property might be something
you could do this with. Now I am not a lawyer or a licensed
land surveyor so my description cannot be taken and legal
advice. Prescriptive easement laws and case law may be
different in various states so check on that with someone who
is qualified on the topic. In NY Licensed surveyors have a
limited right to practice law in land issues for cases like
this. My brother always said that was the hardest part of his
surveyors license to get through. He spent a lot of time
studying and reviewing case law.
>
> Thank you,
> Brian Webster
> www.wirelessmapping.com <http://www.wirelessmapping.com>
>
>
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> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Buying land
>
> I think those are called land locked or something similar.
Unless and
> until an owner (or prospective owner) can buy deeded
access, it would be
> worthless to anyone except perhaps a helicopter pilot.
>
>
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
> On 1/3/2021 4:23 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>> The absolute cheapest land seems to have no deeded access
at all. I'm
>> not sure who would ever buy those lots....but someone is
selling it so
>> therefore they bought it at one time.
>>
>>
>> On 1/3/2021 6:04 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>> I can add another thing. We live on a quarter section
that was
>>> divided into 4 approximately 40 acre parcels. Most of the
land is not
>>> really "buildable" except for a dozen or so acres on the
ridge top.
>>> They carved up the parcels to give everyone close to the
same amount
>>> of ridge top space, and then divided the remainder and
attached it to
>>> the ridge top home sites. The road easement runs along
the south side
>>> of the ridge top. This arrangement worked out pretty well
for 3 of
>>> the 4 parcels, as the road easement ended up running
along the
>>> boundary between two adjacent parcels except for one
parcel. I think
>>> we got the best deal, as we're at the end of the road
easement, and
>>> "none" of the road (or the easement) actually runs
through or even
>>> along the side our property. However, one of the
properties has his 4
>>> acres or so at the top of the ridge, and the remainder of his
>>> property is on the other side of the easement. As a
result, the two
>>> of us at the end, drive through his property whenever we
come or go.
>>> No big deal to us, but it rubs this guy raw whenever we
drive by, as
>>> he sees us as "trespassers" because he thinks of that
part of the
>>> easement as his private property.
>>>
>>> When the guy gets drunk, he will call the sheriff to
report us as
>>> trespassing on his "private" property. Years of
entertainment ensue.
>>>
>>> bp
>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>
>>> On 1/3/2021 12:59 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>>>> A good title insurance policy should dig up and disclose
all the
>>>> gotchas.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 3, 2021, at 9:19 AM, Bill Prince
<part15...@gmail.com <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Depending on the terrain, see if you can get your
hands on a
>>>>> parcel map and any benchmarks. Property boundaries can
be an issue.
>>>>> If you can't do that, get a title insurance policy that
insures you
>>>>> against any future boundary disputes. if there is a
time limit in
>>>>> the insurance policy, make sure you understand the
implications
>>>>> and/or negotiate for a longer time.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> bp
>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/2/2021 9:28 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>>>>> I'm poking around Zillow for a piece of cheap land.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Basically looking for some place to play around in the
woods, with
>>>>>> the possibility of building an off-grid camp/cabin in
the future.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The pitfalls I'm aware of are wetlands and places with
no access.
>>>>>> What else should I watch out for?'
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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