LDS does this with all church properties as well as BYU.
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> On Jan 4, 2021, at 12:28 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>
> Investopedia article on squatting / adverse possession says they close
> Rockefeller Center for one full day each year to prevent squatters.
>
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> From: "Chuck McCown via AF" <af@af.afmug.com>
> Sent: 1/4/2021 1:22:03 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Cc: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@go-mtc.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Buying land
>
> I think the only way you can get land that way in Utah is if you had presumed
> you owned it and the county tax assessor did too. I think you have had to
> use it for 19 years and all the while being open and notorious. Here is a
> list:
> There must be a “hostile” claim: the trespasser must either
> make an honest mistake (like relying on an incorrect deed);
> merely occupy the land (with or without knowledge that it is private
> property); or
> be aware of his or her trespassing;
> There must be actual possession: the trespasser must be physically present on
> the land, treating it as his or her own;
> There must be open and notorious possession: the act of trespassing cannot be
> secret; and
> There must be exclusive and continuous possession: the trespasser cannot
> share possession with others, and must be in possession of the land for an
> uninterrupted period of time.
>
> From: Adam Moffett
> Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 11:59 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Buying land
>
> That's adverse possession. You have to invest several years of your life
> into that. Live there openly with nobody stopping you for years, and
> apparently in some places go pay the property taxes too.
>
> I'm fascinated that it's a real thing, but I'm not sure how you do it. Maybe
> you'd find a property owned by an absentee landowner. Start squatting. Tell
> the neighbors you've "moved in down the road" without specifying any other
> details. Smile and wave when you drive by so they all know you're there.
> Quietly go pay the taxes. Hope the landowner ignores his tax statements or
> doesn't question why the balance is always zero. Or maybe you convince the
> muni to send the statement to you instead of the owner. When the timer
> expires get your lawyer to start proceedings.
>
> I think it's something along those lines. I think people who pull that off
> must be either very lucky or very clever. Plan B is a stint in jail for
> criminal trespassing and criminal mischief and whatever else they can think
> of. So either way I suppose you get a roof over your head.
>
>
>
>> On 1/4/2021 1:25 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>> anybody looked into the squatter laws how those creeps are able to
>> occasionally take possession of properties and magically become the lawful
>> owners? seems that may be the least expensive way to obtain things
>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 10:34 AM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> California has a similar law. The period is 5 years, and there are a
>>> series of points that need to be made. If the easement is considered
>>> valid then the court "may" issue a payment to the land owner over which
>>> the easement is granted.
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>
>>> On 1/3/2021 7:54 PM, Brian Webster wrote:
>>> > Sometimes a good land surveyor can help you get a prescriptive easement
>>> > in situations like this. Mt brother is a surveyor so my understanding of
>>> > how he has done this in some cases is probably not the legal way of
>>> > describing it. MY understanding is it goes like this. If a person has
>>> > been granted easement over a property over a period of time (I think 5 or
>>> > 10 years but not sure) and there is evidence that it has been permitted
>>> > (an old farm lane or access road is a good example) that has not been
>>> > challenged by the property owner that you cannot use that access road.
>>> > Then at least in NY that can be legally called a prescriptive easement,
>>> > and as such you can actually file that and record it as a deeded
>>> > easement. It's not an easy process and there is a lot of posturing and
>>> > the case law has to be argued in court in a lot of cases. So in some
>>> > cases that he has helped, he looked up historical aerial images (not on
>>> > line but at the local soil and water conservation district) and found
>>> > stuff dating back to say 1927 or 1954. In these cases there was a lot
>>> > less forest and he could see a farm lane or access road that was used.
>>> > Enough use that it's very evident from the phot. Then with this
>>> > information, he will go out on the land and try to find hints of that
>>> > road or access lane. If he finds that road, even in the current forested
>>> > area, he helped the landlocked property owner gain that prescriptive
>>> > easement and then recorded a deeded easement.
>>> >
>>> > Some of that cheap land locked property might be something you could do
>>> > this with. Now I am not a lawyer or a licensed land surveyor so my
>>> > description cannot be taken and legal advice. Prescriptive easement laws
>>> > and case law may be different in various states so check on that with
>>> > someone who is qualified on the topic. In NY Licensed surveyors have a
>>> > limited right to practice law in land issues for cases like this. My
>>> > brother always said that was the hardest part of his surveyors license to
>>> > get through. He spent a lot of time studying and reviewing case law.
>>> >
>>> > Thank you,
>>> > Brian Webster
>>> > www.wirelessmapping.com
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
>>> > Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2021 7:26 PM
>>> > To: af@af.afmug.com
>>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Buying land
>>> >
>>> > I think those are called land locked or something similar. Unless and
>>> > until an owner (or prospective owner) can buy deeded access, it would be
>>> > worthless to anyone except perhaps a helicopter pilot.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > bp
>>> > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>> >
>>> > On 1/3/2021 4:23 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>> >> The absolute cheapest land seems to have no deeded access at all. I'm
>>> >> not sure who would ever buy those lots....but someone is selling it so
>>> >> therefore they bought it at one time.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On 1/3/2021 6:04 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>> >>> I can add another thing. We live on a quarter section that was
>>> >>> divided into 4 approximately 40 acre parcels. Most of the land is not
>>> >>> really "buildable" except for a dozen or so acres on the ridge top.
>>> >>> They carved up the parcels to give everyone close to the same amount
>>> >>> of ridge top space, and then divided the remainder and attached it to
>>> >>> the ridge top home sites. The road easement runs along the south side
>>> >>> of the ridge top. This arrangement worked out pretty well for 3 of
>>> >>> the 4 parcels, as the road easement ended up running along the
>>> >>> boundary between two adjacent parcels except for one parcel. I think
>>> >>> we got the best deal, as we're at the end of the road easement, and
>>> >>> "none" of the road (or the easement) actually runs through or even
>>> >>> along the side our property. However, one of the properties has his 4
>>> >>> acres or so at the top of the ridge, and the remainder of his
>>> >>> property is on the other side of the easement. As a result, the two
>>> >>> of us at the end, drive through his property whenever we come or go.
>>> >>> No big deal to us, but it rubs this guy raw whenever we drive by, as
>>> >>> he sees us as "trespassers" because he thinks of that part of the
>>> >>> easement as his private property.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> When the guy gets drunk, he will call the sheriff to report us as
>>> >>> trespassing on his "private" property. Years of entertainment ensue.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> bp
>>> >>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On 1/3/2021 12:59 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>>> >>>> A good title insurance policy should dig up and disclose all the
>>> >>>> gotchas.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> On Jan 3, 2021, at 9:19 AM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> ?Depending on the terrain, see if you can get your hands on a
>>> >>>>> parcel map and any benchmarks. Property boundaries can be an issue.
>>> >>>>> If you can't do that, get a title insurance policy that insures you
>>> >>>>> against any future boundary disputes. if there is a time limit in
>>> >>>>> the insurance policy, make sure you understand the implications
>>> >>>>> and/or negotiate for a longer time.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> bp
>>> >>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>> On 1/2/2021 9:28 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>> >>>>>> I'm poking around Zillow for a piece of cheap land.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Basically looking for some place to play around in the woods, with
>>> >>>>>> the possibility of building an off-grid camp/cabin in the future.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> The pitfalls I'm aware of are wetlands and places with no access.
>>> >>>>>> What else should I watch out for?'
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
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