I give up (I am too old slow to be involved in a dual) On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 8:44 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sorry good chuck, but bad chuck is spitting fighting words. Its come to a > duel > > On Thu, Jan 7, 2021, 7:13 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote: > >> LENT! >> >> *From:* Chuck Macenski >> *Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2021 6:01 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB >> >> UBNT UBNT UBNT UBNT >> >> On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 5:12 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies < >> m...@mailmt.com> wrote: >> >>> I hated sociology when I was in college, but had to take it. I think >>> sociology now would be fascinating. Think about how far we have degraded >>> as a society. Of all people, the people on this list should not be >>> surprised of where we are at. >>> >>> There has always been conspiracy theories. Bigfoot, Area 51, JFK, etc. >>> But in the pre-internet days, you really had to want to be a conspiracy >>> person to get sucked in. You had to subscribe to magazines, you had to >>> find books at the store or library. You really had to be dedicated to that >>> conspiracy. Most considered them urban legends, only a few took the deep >>> dive. It also helped that 99% of the news was centralized. You watched a >>> certain channel because you liked the person doing the reporting , not the >>> news itself. If there was spin, it was mostly all spun in the same >>> direction. >>> >>> Then came the Internet. Now we have BBS and chat rooms where these >>> conspiracy people can virtually meet. Still not an issue because a >>> majority of the population is still getting their news from a centralized >>> place. CNN at this point was still main stream and in inline with the >>> networks. >>> >>> Then AOL comes along and everyone starts getting on the Internet. >>> Things start getting a little worst. Remember Bonsai Kitten. Hey, its on >>> the Internet so it is true. Forums start popping up, some people start >>> building their own websites, e-mail is becoming more popular. It's dial >>> up, still takes a lot of work to get involved with the conspiracy guys. >>> But now you have a bit easier access to the rabbit hole. Most news is >>> still consumed via TV and Newspapers. Most events are still reported >>> accurately. >>> >>> Then dedicated always on Internet shows up along with social media. >>> This begins the downward spiral. No more dial up. You can create any type >>> of bat shit crazy FB group/page. You can post any type of video on >>> youtube. Now that rabbit hole is getting easier to navigate. You can >>> start blogging or vlogging. You can setup websites via godaddy in a few >>> clicks. More people are starting to get their news via the Internet. The >>> news organizations start seeing this and begin their presence online. News >>> is starting to get a bit more blurry as some of these virtual news >>> organizations start competing with the old timers. >>> >>> Then we get smart phones, snapchat, instagram, etc. Now we have access >>> to that rabbit hole wherever we are. There is almost zero effort needed to >>> make a post to social media. Anyone with a selfie stick and a smart phone >>> is now a reporter. Virtual "news" channels streamed from someones basement >>> are now on ROKU or FireStick. There is no more centralize news. >>> Everything is an opinion story. Old school news outlets have to stop being >>> independent and start leaning one way or another to survive in the new >>> age. All that matters now is followers, eyeballs and ad revenue. Keep >>> your eyeballs worked up as much as possible, so they come back or go deeper >>> into the rabbit hole. >>> >>> As I said of all people, we on this list should not be surprised where >>> we are as a country. We watched this develop over the last 20+ years. >>> Unfortunately, I really don't see how it gets better. There was always >>> some fringe groups out there, but now there is no such thing as fringe. >>> >>> Everyone has now been divided into tribes. Red tribe, Blue tribe, LGQBT >>> tribe, BLM tribe, Proud Boys tribe, Christian tribe, etc. With social >>> media we are now free to associated with only the people that agree with >>> us. We surround ourselves with yes men. We rarely hear "The Rest of the >>> Story". Our believes are confirmed and reinforced each and every day until >>> we are willing to die for them. Chris Rock in the movie Dogma had a great >>> quote "I just think it's better to have an idea. You can change an idea; >>> changing a belief is trickier. People die for it, people kill for it." >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Best regards, >>> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com >>> >>> Myakka Technologies, Inc. >>> www.Myakka.com >>> >>> ------ >>> >>> Thursday, January 7, 2021, 2:37:53 PM, you wrote: >>> >>> >>> It seems like it should be pretty obvious to everyone at this point that >>> no matter what is said on either side of these political issues that >>> nothing is going to change the opinions and beliefs of people on the other >>> side. No matter how much “proof” either side has to show that they are >>> right, no one is going to change their opinion. I suppose there are always >>> some people who straddle the fence (just watch out if you slip and it’s a >>> picket or razor blade fence you’re straddling!) and might be swayed by >>> something they see, but the reality is that nothing is gained by anyone by >>> these conversations on a list like this. In fact, much is lost…….. >>> hopefully those that unsubscribed will come back. Personally, as long as >>> political discussions don’t get so vicious as they’ve been at times, I find >>> many of them entertaining. Overall though they seem to have caused more >>> damage to this group than any benefit they’ve ever given. >>> >>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF >>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2021 1:24 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB >>> >>> I could argue number of people involved, number of days in protest, >>> number or people hurt, number of cops hurt, $ of damage done etc etc and >>> compare the two by the numbers. >>> >>> Pretty sure I am right. Just crunch the numbers. There is no “side” to >>> simple counting of participants times time. >>> >>> But to you my comment “one sided inflammatory BS” . >>> >>> Sorry I offered ANY opinion or commentary. >>> My comment came very late in the day, the political argument started far >>> earlier. >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Carl Peterson >>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2021 12:14 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB >>> >>> Chuck, >>> >>> I know it is your list and your rules, but you can't say crap like "The >>> DC crap today does not hold a candle in magnitude to the Portland and >>> Seattle crap largely done by the other side. Give and take." and not >>> expect it to start a political argument. I think you are abundantly and >>> dangerously wrong about that but I'm (mostly) holding my tongue. We can't >>> have a list where one sided inflammatory BS like that is allowed but >>> countering it is not. We either allow political discussions, which I'm >>> fine with, or we make a no politics rule. The latter seems to be the best >>> option as there are too many brilliant minds who we will lose if we keep it >>> up. >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:37 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Sorry. I don’t want to go back to the days of lent, but we have to >>> remain civil to do so. >>> >>> The DC crap today does not hold a candle in magnitude to the Portland >>> and Seattle crap largely done by the other side. Give and take. >>> >>> Folks wanna blow off steam. It will be history tomorrow. >>> >>> No need to pollute our list here with that energy, from either side. >>> >>> *From:* Steve Jones >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:32 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB >>> >>> youre no fun dad >>> >>> Lent? >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:31 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Kill thread. We had been well behaved but nobody wants to see a bunch >>> of F words in a subject line. There have been complaints. >>> >>> *From:* Mathew Howard >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:23 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit >>> >>> That's the real problem. I've come to the conclusion that almost no >>> so-called news having anything to do with politics is honest or reliable, >>> no matter which side it comes from. Almost all of it is slanted (if not >>> outright dishonest) to either fit their own view or manipulate their >>> consumers into supporting a particular agenda. Unfortunately, there seems >>> to be very little that can be done to fix it. >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:17 PM Craig House <cr...@totalhighspeed.net> >>> wrote: >>> >>> " a nugget of truth with a layer of bullshit on top" Is exactly how I >>> take every bit of news from every outlet on every station. It is even >>> more the case when the source is a politician or anyone with a political >>> agenda. This includes most of the people on this list. Very few on >>> either side can really provide an objective argument on politics today. >>> I'd include myself in that group therefore I tend to just delete or not >>> reply to these group messages because it only furthers the divide. I >>> honestly dont see any long term solution to the divide we have today. >>> Mainstream media isn't going to help. Congress isn't going to help and >>> Trump isn't going to help. Neither is anyone's opinion on this list >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From: *"Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> >>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> >>> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 6, 2021 4:09:22 PM >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit >>> >>> Look at the evidence closely and in each case you'll find a nugget of >>> truth with a layer of bullshit on top. That so many people are so >>> thoroughly fooled by it is the most distressing part. Look closer. Stop >>> being a fool. >>> The "coup" is when the loser thinks he can win by pretending hard enough. >>> >>> On 1/6/2021 5:05 PM, justsumname wrote: >>> >>> an election that is not conducted according to law is not an election. >>> it's a coup. >>> Worse... if the 'election' is not transparent, verifiable, and treats >>> every voter the same, it's not an "election". >>> Worse ... if poll watchers are bullied and physically threatened... that >>> is intolerable. >>> >>> hereistheevidence.com --- in case you dare open your mind to truth >>> >>> Patton was correct, and so was that McCarthy guy, who was probably a >>> commie plant because he did a great job discrediting 'his' message. >>> >>> All that is left is communism or war. That was the plan all along and >>> only 'crazy' people -- and people who escaped communist societies to come >>> warn us -- saw it or believed in it. >>> >>> I'll sign off with this, because this is probably The End: >>> >>> “In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the >>> purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to >>> inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to >>> reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are >>> being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to >>> repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of >>> probity. To assent to obvious lies is...in some small way to become evil >>> oneself. One's standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even >>> destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if >>> you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended >>> to.” ~ Theodore Dalrymple >>> >>> You arrogant asses, you've killed us! >>> -- >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:30 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> go drink some tecate, youre losing your mind >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 3:26 PM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Did you just hear his tweeter video bullshit? Fuck Trump... Kruchev >>> predicted it... Trump enabled it. >>> >>> Go ahead and get off this list >>> Fuck Trump and his Trumpicans... >>> This is an Insurrection..Rudy called for trial by combat, Trump said it >>> was going to be wild ... >>> So fuck them to hell. >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021, 2:11 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> IKR, slides biden is demanding potus go on national TV to quell it, >>> unlike during the biden obama administration when he didnt demand the same. >>> god this is funny. sad they havent shot more of these mopes today and >>> historically >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 2:50 PM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> WTF...third world country tactics... >>> Insurrection... >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com-- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com-- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com-- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> ------------------------------ >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> ------------------------------ >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> -- >>> Carl Peterson >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> ------------------------------ >>> *Total Control Panel* >>> Login <https://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net> >>> To: ja...@litewire.net >>> <https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993&domain=litewire.net> >>> From: af-boun...@af.afmug.com >>> >>> *You received this message because the domain afmug.com >>> <http://afmug.com> is on your allow list.* >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> ------------------------------ >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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