so youre talking about youre stuff getting hit, not your contractors hitting stuff because of bad locates? I wonder if theyre locating yours based off a map and not actually tone locating
On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 10:06 AM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > Yup. Well, "you" as the utility owner. > > Utility owner contracts USIC to do their locates. > USIC does it poorly. > Excavator hits the poorly marked utility. > USIC shrugs their shoulders. > Utility pays to fix it. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> > *Sent: *Wednesday, January 5, 2022 10:01:47 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Illinois - JULIE membership costs > > so an invalid locate puts the liability back on you for a utility strike? > > On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 9:40 AM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > >> >> 1. They don't always show up. >> 2. If they do, it's not usually before the digstart time. >> 3. When they do show up, they don't always mark everything. >> 4. If they do mark everything, it's not always where it needs to be. >> >> >> >> We built about 20 miles over the last couple of years (contractors doing >> the underground work). USIC was at-fault in at least a dozen hits. One of >> the hits still hasn't been fully repaired from October 2020. That was on a >> Frontier 48-count fiber that was a pretty important route for them, but >> USIC was off by 4' in that locate. >> >> >> I will personally be our locator before I depend on USIC to do any of it. >> >> >> USIC's coverage of when they screw up? 10% of your annual spend with >> them. The USIC sales guy estimated we'd be at their minimum of $5k/year, >> meaning they'd only cover $500/year of their screw ups. We figured it was >> cheaper to hire our own locator at $30k/year than USIC at $5k/year. >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *"Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> >> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 5, 2022 9:21:17 AM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Illinois - JULIE membership costs >> >> Ive never heard complaints or had complaints on their locates. Whats your >> beef with them? If they have GPS CAD they mark points and dont do a >> physical locate, is that been a problem? >> >> On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 9:12 AM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >> >>> USIC... SUUUUXXXXXXX >>> >>> >>> Your neighborhood methhead is more reliable than USIC. >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>> >>> >>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From: *"Nate Burke" <n...@blastcomm.com> >>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> >>> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 4, 2022 1:47:39 PM >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Illinois - JULIE membership costs >>> >>> I can't speak to USIC, as we do all our own locates. I wouldn't think >>> that JULIE would care who you are, as long as you pay your dues, and give >>> them the map. We have one of our areas where the conduit that runs along >>> the edge of a private property between 2 buildings, and we gave them that >>> map, and get locates for it. >>> >>> On 1/4/2022 1:29 PM, Steve Jones wrote: >>> >>> I havent heard back from JULIE, USIC reached back out and said JULIE >>> might not let a private line in the locate database. >>> >>> What Im looking to achieve is third party notification via JULIE with >>> third party locate by USIC. I assume thats the standard scenario. This is >>> two duct paths that will traverse public roads. Ive never done any of this >>> so Just wanting to make sure the client has the least impact and no >>> surprise costs >>> I have to submit the engineering plan to the city, the client has to get >>> a license agreement with them, then they will get a ROW easement. That >>> seems to be going pretty straight forward. The big issue is locates, these >>> are both maintenance heavy roads with waste sewer, storm sewer, multiple >>> telecom, water mains and laterals, etc and they seem to always be digging >>> both sections up for one reason or another >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 1:16 PM Nate Burke <n...@blastcomm.com> wrote: >>> >>>> We are a JULIE member. They are easy to work with when you call them. >>>> You give them map coordinates, basically a Google Earth outline, and then >>>> you get notified anytime something gets called in for that area. I don't' >>>> have the bill in front of me, but I think it's ~$150/year and then $1 or $2 >>>> per ticket. The bigger the area the more tickets you'll get, and what's >>>> going on in that area. The 5G installations are generating about 10-20 >>>> tickets per antenna build. Remember, everyone calls JULIE, so if you're in >>>> a residential area, you'll get lots of sprinkler/mailbox/CATV locate >>>> tickets. If it touches your area in any way, you'll get notified. If >>>> you're in an easement behind a house, and they're putting in a new mailbox >>>> by their driveway, the address touches your area, so you'll get notified. >>>> >>>> On 1/4/2022 12:35 PM, Steve Jones wrote: >>>> >>>> Is anybody here a JULIE member? >>>> Im looking to find the costs in general for a specific private line to >>>> be in the notification database >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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