Our locator's primary role is in locating 811 tickets that other people put in.
We have recently assigned him to do a once-over of any construction happening,
whether it's internal or a contractor.
For non-drop work that we do, we put in a design stage ticket to get maps of
the utilities ahead of time to try our best to work around them.
The other utilities are supposed to be locating their own stuff (or contracting
it out).
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From: "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 5, 2022 10:57:01 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Illinois - JULIE membership costs
so you send youre own staff to locate youre own assets, hes not doing locates
for other utilities on your proposed paths?
On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 10:53 AM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote:
Right.
The excavator's only liability is was it properly located or not. If located
properly, excavator is at fault. If not located properly, excavator is not at
fault.
USIC's issues are incomplete training, high churn, high workload, in addition
to anything else you'd have at a business (bad managers, etc.).
Our locator used to work at USIC and came recommended by one of our underground
contractors.
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From: "Steve Jones" < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com >
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com >
Sent: Wednesday, January 5, 2022 10:26:38 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Illinois - JULIE membership costs
so youre talking about youre stuff getting hit, not your contractors hitting
stuff because of bad locates?
I wonder if theyre locating yours based off a map and not actually tone
locating
On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 10:06 AM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote:
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Yup. Well, "you" as the utility owner.
Utility owner contracts USIC to do their locates.
USIC does it poorly.
Excavator hits the poorly marked utility.
USIC shrugs their shoulders.
Utility pays to fix it.
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From: "Steve Jones" < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com >
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com >
Sent: Wednesday, January 5, 2022 10:01:47 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Illinois - JULIE membership costs
so an invalid locate puts the liability back on you for a utility strike?
On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 9:40 AM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote:
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1. They don't always show up.
2. If they do, it's not usually before the digstart time.
3. When they do show up, they don't always mark everything.
4. If they do mark everything, it's not always where it needs to be.
We built about 20 miles over the last couple of years (contractors doing the
underground work). USIC was at-fault in at least a dozen hits. One of the hits
still hasn't been fully repaired from October 2020. That was on a Frontier
48-count fiber that was a pretty important route for them, but USIC was off by
4' in that locate.
I will personally be our locator before I depend on USIC to do any of it.
USIC's coverage of when they screw up? 10% of your annual spend with them. The
USIC sales guy estimated we'd be at their minimum of $5k/year, meaning they'd
only cover $500/year of their screw ups. We figured it was cheaper to hire our
own locator at $30k/year than USIC at $5k/year.
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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The Brothers WISP
From: "Steve Jones" < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com >
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com >
Sent: Wednesday, January 5, 2022 9:21:17 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Illinois - JULIE membership costs
Ive never heard complaints or had complaints on their locates. Whats your beef
with them? If they have GPS CAD they mark points and dont do a physical locate,
is that been a problem?
On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 9:12 AM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote:
<blockquote>
USIC... SUUUUXXXXXXX
Your neighborhood methhead is more reliable than USIC.
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
From: "Nate Burke" < n...@blastcomm.com >
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com >
Sent: Tuesday, January 4, 2022 1:47:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Illinois - JULIE membership costs
I can't speak to USIC, as we do all our own locates. I wouldn't think that
JULIE would care who you are, as long as you pay your dues, and give them the
map. We have one of our areas where the conduit that runs along the edge of a
private property between 2 buildings, and we gave them that map, and get
locates for it.
On 1/4/2022 1:29 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
<blockquote>
I havent heard back from JULIE, USIC reached back out and said JULIE might not
let a private line in the locate database.
What Im looking to achieve is third party notification via JULIE with third
party locate by USIC. I assume thats the standard scenario. This is two duct
paths that will traverse public roads. Ive never done any of this so Just
wanting to make sure the client has the least impact and no surprise costs
I have to submit the engineering plan to the city, the client has to get a
license agreement with them, then they will get a ROW easement. That seems to
be going pretty straight forward. The big issue is locates, these are both
maintenance heavy roads with waste sewer, storm sewer, multiple telecom, water
mains and laterals, etc and they seem to always be digging both sections up for
one reason or another
On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 1:16 PM Nate Burke < n...@blastcomm.com > wrote:
<blockquote>
We are a JULIE member. They are easy to work with when you call them. You give
them map coordinates, basically a Google Earth outline, and then you get
notified anytime something gets called in for that area. I don't' have the bill
in front of me, but I think it's ~$150/year and then $1 or $2 per ticket. The
bigger the area the more tickets you'll get, and what's going on in that area.
The 5G installations are generating about 10-20 tickets per antenna build.
Remember, everyone calls JULIE, so if you're in a residential area, you'll get
lots of sprinkler/mailbox/CATV locate tickets. If it touches your area in any
way, you'll get notified. If you're in an easement behind a house, and they're
putting in a new mailbox by their driveway, the address touches your area, so
you'll get notified.
On 1/4/2022 12:35 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
<blockquote>
Is anybody here a JULIE member?
Im looking to find the costs in general for a specific private line to be in
the notification database
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