when you contract, at the rates discussed, this is preengineered, thats not
engineered rate? these are PO with a work order rates?

On Wed, Feb 9, 2022 at 10:10 AM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote:

> With duct, it never happens.  I would probably make them buy a spool of
> fiber and blow it in without splices if for some reason it needed to be
> cut.  At the very least they would be on the hook for vault and splicing.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 9, 2022 8:05 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] underground footage expectations
>
> what is the normal tolerance on damage splices for that 30k feet. I assume
> tolerances is contract base, but if you wanted that 30k uncut, at what
> point would you consider the contract terms not met? If a cut necessitates
> an unplanned vault, who is normally responsible to provide the splice case
> and vault? What is your preference on who actually performs the splice,
> your splicers or the installation contractor?
>
> On Wed, Feb 9, 2022 at 3:08 AM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Test spools prior to construction.  We do a slack loop every 3000’ or
>> less.  If you have damage you can shift slack to add the splice.  Only
>> splice where you have to.  I like 30,000’ reels when going long distances.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Feb 8, 2022, at 10:18 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> on long haul direct buy what do you expect unspliced?
>> what is the normal mitigation for a midspan unplanned installation
>> damage? I assume that contract terms defined, but what is the norm? Like if
>> you are at a crossing and catch the figure 8 with a track or something?
>> What about if theres a factory defect in the spool?
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 8:40 AM Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com> wrote:
>>
>>> We have pretty favorable conditions for both drilling/plowing. We do
>>> work in house and also hire some out. Last year we paid $5-8/ft for
>>> drilling and $1.50-2/ft for plowing. Production, when I drill with one
>>> other guy locating, in open ground we can usually do >1000ft in a full
>>> day although often it's more like 6-7 shorter bores in the same day.
>>> Plowing, it's all based on how many obstacles. We usually do 1/3 or
>>> 1/2 mile a day but that's with crossing a few obstacles, drains,
>>> ditches etc. The plow itself can run at ~1mph in easy ground so that's
>>> not the limiting factor.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 12:54 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > whether it be crewed or contracted, where do you sit rule of thumb on
>>> footage expectations on average. I know conditions, soil types, all that
>>> have a factor to play, but where do you start to cringe on production?
>>> ducted fiber, direct bury, city and rural.
>>> >
>>> > What you contracted comfort zone per foot on each? how low per foot
>>> before you get suspicious, (as in some guy coming in telling you he can put
>>> in for you at 10 cents a foot in downtown chicago)
>>> >
>>> > Im looking for numbers excluding the material since that can vary more
>>> than soil type
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