Yeah, you give the contractor a set of staking sheets that have all the details 
worked out.  Usually a contract, sometimes a W.O.

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> On Feb 9, 2022, at 11:11 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> when you contract, at the rates discussed, this is preengineered, thats not 
> engineered rate? these are PO with a work order rates?
> 
>> On Wed, Feb 9, 2022 at 10:10 AM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote:
>> With duct, it never happens.  I would probably make them buy a spool of 
>> fiber and blow it in without splices if for some reason it needed to be cut. 
>>  At the very least they would be on the hook for vault and splicing. 
>>  
>> From: Steve Jones
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 9, 2022 8:05 AM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] underground footage expectations
>>  
>> what is the normal tolerance on damage splices for that 30k feet. I assume 
>> tolerances is contract base, but if you wanted that 30k uncut, at what point 
>> would you consider the contract terms not met? If a cut necessitates an 
>> unplanned vault, who is normally responsible to provide the splice case and 
>> vault? What is your preference on who actually performs the splice, your 
>> splicers or the installation contractor?
>>  
>> On Wed, Feb 9, 2022 at 3:08 AM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote:
>>> Test spools prior to construction.  We do a slack loop every 3000’ or less. 
>>>  If you have damage you can shift slack to add the splice.  Only splice 
>>> where you have to.  I like 30,000’ reels when going long distances.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 8, 2022, at 10:18 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> on long haul direct buy what do you expect unspliced?
>>>> what is the normal mitigation for a midspan unplanned installation damage? 
>>>> I assume that contract terms defined, but what is the norm? Like if you 
>>>> are at a crossing and catch the figure 8 with a track or something?  What 
>>>> about if theres a factory defect in the spool?
>>>>  
>>>> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 8:40 AM Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com> wrote:
>>>>> We have pretty favorable conditions for both drilling/plowing. We do
>>>>> work in house and also hire some out. Last year we paid $5-8/ft for
>>>>> drilling and $1.50-2/ft for plowing. Production, when I drill with one
>>>>> other guy locating, in open ground we can usually do >1000ft in a full
>>>>> day although often it's more like 6-7 shorter bores in the same day.
>>>>> Plowing, it's all based on how many obstacles. We usually do 1/3 or
>>>>> 1/2 mile a day but that's with crossing a few obstacles, drains,
>>>>> ditches etc. The plow itself can run at ~1mph in easy ground so that's
>>>>> not the limiting factor.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 12:54 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > whether it be crewed or contracted, where do you sit rule of thumb on 
>>>>> > footage expectations on average. I know conditions, soil types, all 
>>>>> > that have a factor to play, but where do you start to cringe on 
>>>>> > production? ducted fiber, direct bury, city and rural.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > What you contracted comfort zone per foot on each? how low per foot 
>>>>> > before you get suspicious, (as in some guy coming in telling you he can 
>>>>> > put in for you at 10 cents a foot in downtown chicago)
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Im looking for numbers excluding the material since that can vary more 
>>>>> > than soil type
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