The other gotcha is if someone changes their name (gets married/divorced etc) then all of a sudden clients start de-registering :-/
-Sean On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 9:22 AM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote: > Been around FCC enforcement action for 40 years. Not likely to happen. > First of all, how would anyone know to report you. Have to be a > disgruntled former employee. Then what are they gonna do? Actually come > visit and audit? I think it is very unlikely. Probably a phone call that > you have been reported and you better clean up the database. Not like you > are transmitting in the DFS band or something. > > *From:* Josh Luthman > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 16, 2022 9:02 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Cc:* Chuck McCown > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: CBRS > > >Kinda like signalling when there is no one else on the road. Or stopping > at a red light in the middle of the night. > > It's this. If you aren't caught it's no problem. If you are caught, > something bad "could" happen. > > On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 10:56 AM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> > wrote: > >> So, why would you reregister? Not asking about your scruples or the >> reason for registration in the first place. But as a practical issue, >> nothing bad will happen if the CPE moves will it? It does not self report >> position does it? Kinda like signalling when there is no one else on the >> road. Or stopping at a red light in the middle of the night. >> >> *From:* Josh Luthman >> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 16, 2022 8:47 AM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: CBRS >> >> If it's registered and good..leave it alone. >> >> If it needs re registered, like it moves on the house or to a different >> house you'll just need that new CPI guy to do it. >> >> On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 10:19 AM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> That’s fine, but what if I leave the company and let my certification >>> expire? Does another employee have to re-enter the CPE into the SAS? >>> >>> >>> >>> -Adam >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 16, 2022 9:51 AM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: CBRS >>> >>> >>> >>> Just recertify, you have to have someone on staff with it. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 9:05 AM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Interesting. I hadn’t thought about what happens when a certification >>> expires. That will be a rude shock if it works that way. >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 15, 2022 8:35 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: CBRS >>> >>> >>> >>> If a cpi leaves and doesnt keep renewing then one day everybody >>> disconnects. 5 yeats comes quick >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 15, 2022, 12:42 PM Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> It kind of makes sense, because a CPI is really just supposed to be >>> verifying that the install was done correctly. If somebody goes and messes >>> with it later on, you can't really hold the CPI responsible for that, so >>> there theoretically shouldn't be any ongoing liability, as long as you did >>> the job right in the first place. There's less incentive for an employee to >>> make sure they did everything right, if they aren't personally responsible >>> for it. >>> >>> >>> >>> A CPI leaving the company shouldn't really have any impact on any >>> existing CBSD's... I would think the CPI could even be a contractor, but I >>> never actually took the CPI course, so I could be wrong... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 11:46 AM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> I was hoping they had changed that dumb rule >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 15, 2022, 10:28 AM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Exactly. They made a big point of the fact that you are personally >>> responsible for accuracy of the data you put in. Not sure how a company >>> CPI would fit with that. >>> >>> >>> >>> -Adam >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 15, 2022 10:35 AM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: CBRS >>> >>> >>> >>> I mean I did and I'm horrible at tests. I did the Google test at >>> Coursera. >>> >>> >>> >>> There simply can't and won't be a company CPI. If you leave the company >>> then the company needs to recertify. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 10:30 AM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Were any of us really absorbing all that much when we did CPI? It was >>> new, half of it wasnt even finalized, the course was too long and dry for >>> the small volume of info. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> speaking of CPI, have they created a company CPI yet? ours is my name >>> and if I transition from employee to contractor Im curious how that impacts >>> the registered CBSDs >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 8:49 AM Josh Luthman < >>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: >>> >>> It's like 90% of the class for your CPI, I mean clearly you weren't >>> paying attention :P The requirement is to report the height and position. >>> Every time. Every CPE, every AP. >>> >>> >>> >>> If it's operating under your NN license, which is almost certainly >>> expired, you're operating illegally. >>> >>> >>> >>> If you're operating under CBRS it requires you to report every CPE. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 7:55 AM Andy Trimmell <atrimm...@precisionds.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> I’m sitting here wondering how I missed this in CPI training. I believed >>> that what was supposed to be “registered” was a CBSD which had specific >>> height requirements and type which these units aren’t exceeding these >>> specifications. Yes the product is Baicells. >>> >>> >>> >>> Anyone else here that uses Baicells gone down this road too with a >>> similar assumption? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard >>> *Sent:* Monday, February 14, 2022 4:35 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: CBRS >>> >>> >>> >>> With Baicells LTE it's possible to leave the CPE in non-CBRS mode >>> (either by not enabling it, or by just never upgrading the firmware to the >>> CBRS capable version), and they'll connect to a CBRS eNB just fine... I >>> wouldn't be surprised if that's true for some of the other LTE products too. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 3:23 PM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Well it occurred to me that I’m thinking of Cambium 450 which forces you >>> to play by the rules by disabling bridging until the CPE is authorized by >>> the SAS. Maybe Andy has a different product that works differently. >>> >>> ….but yeah all fixed CPE are supposed to be in the SAS. >>> >>> >>> >>> I think mobile devices don’t need to be registered. Since Andy >>> mentioned eNB I’m guessing maybe he’s got an LTE product, and maybe the >>> vendor allows you to pretend the UE are all mobile? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard >>> *Sent:* Monday, February 14, 2022 4:16 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: CBRS >>> >>> >>> >>> Yeah, if they're still running without being registered, you've got some >>> problems that need fixing... >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 3:09 PM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> If you’re using CBRS then your CPE can’t connect at all if it’s not >>> registered with the SAS. It literally won’t connect. >>> >>> >>> >>> I think you may be stuck in another time period. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Andy Trimmell >>> *Sent:* Monday, February 14, 2022 4:05 PM >>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com >>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: CBRS >>> >>> >>> >>> Do all of you individually register your CPEs? I just got an email out >>> of the blue telling me I need to register each one of the CPEs that are >>> connected to my eNBs. 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