Assuming all true, so what? It will never happen here. There may be
incremental movement towards reasonable solutions but we will never be like the
countries that greatly restrict ownership and access. It is baked into the DNA
of our nation, for better or worse. So say the serenity prayer and go about
your day.
I think you should have to have liability insurance to own a gun. No insurance
no gun. No insurance, no drive you car. No workers comp insurance, no
employees. No tikee, no washee.
From: Darin Steffl
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2022 10:59 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
Stricter gun laws absolutely help reduce violence. Look at every other country
in the world and how much less gun violence they have.
Making guns harder to buy reduces the supply available to criminals. Every gun
a criminal has/had was at some point sold legally. Requiring universal
background checks means no more private sales without a background check. Gun
shows and private party sales don't require checks today when they should.
If background checks are required for any sale or gift of a firearm, this means
sellers will be liable if the firearm they sold/gifted is used to commit a
crime if they didn't do a background check. Hold people accountable who put
guns into the hands of bad people. If a child uses a parent's gun to commit a
crime, charge the parent for something serious. Send a message that guns are
serious and dangerous in the wrong hands. People will lock up their guns and be
way more careful about who they sell or gift them to if they are liable for
crimes committed using their firearm.
Can't you see how these measures will reduce the supply of legal guns going to
criminals and mentally unstable people? Again, look at every other country that
has either gun bans or strict gun control and their statistics clearly show
that they have less gun violence per capita. If it works everywhere else, it
WILL work here.
Red flag laws and revokation of gun ownership should be passed too so if
someone becomes mentally unstable and starts posting about threats or violence
they want to cause, the sheriff should be able to sieze their guns until they
have a psych eval and can prove they're sane enough to get their guns back.
This is a stupid saying: the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good
guy with a gun.
The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to make sure they never have
access to a gun to begin with. There's multiple reasons why arming more people
is a bad idea. There's too many cooks in the kitchen then. Say you're in Texas
at church where many people carry. Someone decides to start killing people in
church so 20 "good guys" with guns pull out their pistol and have to decide who
the bad guy is... How many good guys end up getting shot by other good guys?
The answer is quite a few. You don't always know who the bad guy with a gun is
if all the good guys with guns draw at the same time. You could be shot by
other good guys or cops on accident. Worse yet would be shooting innocent
bystanders because there's a 20 person firefight happening in church.
The solution goes back to people having fewer guns and America getting rid of
their obsession with guns. Keep them for hunting but don't make guns a
personality trait. The people who take family Christmas card pictures all
holding guns is embarrassing as hell. Like can't you just own guns and be
private about it instead of acting all Macho and worshiping your weapons?!
FYI, I am a gun owner and have a permit to carry. I do not carry but have the
ability to. I have several pistols and some hunting rifles and shotguns. I have
no desire for an assault rifle and don't see the need for others to want them
either. I think it should be much harder to buy a gun and I support that.
The solution to gun violence is not to hire more armed guards and police
officers to patrol schools and other public places. All that does is cost tons
of money and doesn't prevent a bad guy from shooting up a place. It may only
reduce the response time to take out the shooter. Think 20 steps before we get
to the shooting. Preventing access to guns is Step #1 in preventing these mass
shootings and requires no extra money or armed guards.
Facts show these measures will work to reduce gun violence. Opinions, thoughts
and prayers do nothing to stop gun violence. Supporting the gun lobby does not
help. Allowing politicians to block all gun control legislation does not help.
Over 90% of Americans support universal background checks yet the Republicans
won't do a damn thing to pass it.
I'll scream this until people hear it, the Republicans are the obstructionist,
pro-death party. Their only platform is to say no to democrats. They blocked
bills to reduce the cost on insulin, help increase supply of baby formula, help
reduce gas prices, etc. They actively try to hurt the American people. They
take away human rights. They lie about science and allow their supporters to
die from covid by spreading misinformation. They try to scare their supports by
putting the fear of God into them with baseless claims of replacement theory,
war on God, indoctrination...
The party has become a joke. No spine and full of cowards who won't stand up to
hateful rhetoric. A coup attempt on January 6 and the party still spreads the
big lie that trump won when he clearly lost in the most secure election in
history. The party is becoming worthless and the younger generation won't
tolerate all the BS.
Democrat is the progressive party that cares about all people and as long as we
keep it moderate and speak up about what we like and don't like, they are
likely to listen. Reach out to your politicians and tell them what you want
them to do if you don't agree with their platform.
On Tue, May 24, 2022, 11:25 PM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
Fuck our piece of shit governor, Trumpabbott and all his gun loving
supporters...
Fuck his press release...
These pieces of shit...are supposed to be at an NRA event next week
Trumputinsky, Trumpabbott and Ted Cancun Cruzado...fuck them to hell
On Tue, May 24, 2022, 6:34 PM Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> wrote:
18 more children shot and killed. Fuck thoughts and prayers from the right.
These damn Republicans MUST agree to some sort of sensible gun control.
Guns need to be hard to purchase, not easy. Red flag laws need to be
passed. Background checks for any and all purchases, no exceptions.
Another shooting, more dead children and the Republicans want to do
nothing. They'll gladly keep letting Americans die in order to keep gun nuts
happy. Something over 60% of Americans support stricter gun control.
Republicans continue to be the pro-death party. How embarrassing and
shameful!! If you vote republican, start reaching out to your politicians and
ask them to fucking do something!! This is a goddamn joke. These mass shootings
only happen in America.
I support if you're conservative but you must voice your opinion if your
party keeps messing up. Tell them to take action!
On Mon, May 23, 2022, 2:40 PM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
Figuratively inside the lines.
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2022 1:56 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
...you mean outside the lines?
On Mon, May 23, 2022 at 1:47 PM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
NYDOT can be pretty accommodating, but they definitely have a lot of
rules and they do want you to color inside the lines.
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2022 1:37 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
Once we had to cut a road with an excavator. Then we had to do
compacted fill in lifts, the asphalt on the top had to be milled down on both
sides so the profile of the patch formed a T shape. We used the hot sticky
apshalt oil in a sprayer to spray down the T patch prior to dumping hot mix on
it and compacting. The guy running the sprayer was almost empty so he sprayed
some of the gravel on the edges of the road surface in the gravel empty his
machine. Not sure why he wanted to empty it as normally they just shut off the
burner and pump and add more the next day.
An inspector came out and made us do defcon 1 full hazmat clean up job
where he emptied his sprayer.
Then the next year they chip sealed that road. That involves laying
down rock chips and spraying the whole road and a portion of the shoulder with
the exact same hot sticky asphalt oil mix we got in trouble for the year
before. Same inspector was there. I got out and asked why UDOT can do it and
we cannot, is the UDOT hot asphalt oil less hazardous. He told me to get off
his work site or I would be arrested.
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2022 9:56 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
but it's organic.
bp<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>On 5/23/2022 8:05 AM, dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:
“kile (with an I not a Y and woke parents) doesn't believe asphalt
and concrete are environmentally friendly”
Well an asphalt road is kind of like a really long oil spill
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2022 2:35 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
Most libertarians I know are just crybabies. They want the benefits
of governance without the costs. In a libertarian society to have a 100 mile
road, you would destroy your car every trip because there would be no single
governing body to maintain it in a consistent manner. Sure we have road issues
now, but every property line you cross would be a new road. And if john at mile
6 like cobblestone, its cobblestone, and you know keith at mile 23 is gonna
charge a 42 dollar toll, kile (with an I not a Y and woke parents) doesn't
believe asphalt and concrete are environmentally friendly, so mile 36 is made
of soy and has long since been eaten by animals, paul at mile 52 is a dick and
stores all his nails on his road, then Greg up at mile 99 he doesn't like
people so he put boulders across his mile.
These fools are just kid brains who want no government of someone
else's, they want their government based on their current whim. Most of their
arguments break down after a little long term logic.
I also forgot to mention, just like wiping your ass, it's best to not
push too hard on a 2022 liberal, you'll just end up pushing through to a
fingerful of shit.
On Fri, May 20, 2022, 12:53 PM Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:
Yeah the libertarian platform I agree with, the Koch brothers and
the (Ron/Rand) Paul family are too far out there in whackadoodle land for me.
-Sean
On Fri, May 20, 2022 at 7:02 AM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
I read the Libertarian part platform and thought I could be on
board. I registered as Libertarian and carried the card in my wallet.
…..and then I met the other libertarians. Some I can relate with
and some others are absolutely insane.
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2022 6:47 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
Yeah, the nutjobs ruined that designation. I used to partially
identify as libertarian, I don't do that anymore.
On Thursday, May 19, 2022, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:
Here in ColoRADo voting libertarian ends up getting people like
Lauren Bobert elected lol :-/
On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 9:15 AM Josh Luthman
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
It's not a throwaway vote!!!! You have to vote libertarian
if you want a libertarian!
On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 11:06 AM Sean Heskett
<af...@zirkel.us> wrote:
<Say in the voice of Mr. Mackey from South Park>
Mmmkay everyone, all you “woke” people are tried and
cranky, y’all need to go back to bed and get some rest.
-Sean
(For the record I’m registered independent , socially
liberal, fiscally conservative, I would vote libertarian if it wasn’t a
throwaway vote)
On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 8:53 AM Chuck McCown via AF
<af@af.afmug.com> wrote:
Well, maybe their thin skin needs some toughening up.
Everyone could use some more grit.
In my experience, those that feel compelled to “call out”
people never affect positive change. And frequently they harm themselves in
the trying. Becoming toxic themselves to those they are trying to
shame/expose/coerce/educate/put down.
What good does it do to tell some red necked construction
worker that he is being racist? I just avoid those with views I abhor. And I
try to teach by example. But I never call anyone out. At work, if they are my
employee, I address the concern in private. If they don’t change I fire them.
Social justice warriors are idiots in my opinion. They
invent a noble cause with which to enshroud themselves while acting out in
socially impolitic ways, a good reason, in their mind, to be an anarchist.
Look at antifa and proud boys.
Exact same people, doing the exact same things, for the
exact same reasons. The ONLY difference is some contrived battle line they are
trying to advance.
From: Cameron Crum
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2022 7:42 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
You stirred the liberal hornets nest now, Chuck.
On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 7:51 AM <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Weirdly opposite here. My brothers are vocally
alt-right. All ex-military, all purport to be Christian. One is dead from
substance abuse and suffered a variety of mental health issues. The surviving
two are always broke, angry, and unhappy. I feel like I have to tiptoe around
them so they don’t fly off the handle about anything.
…..and I’m not at all “woke”. I just know it’s not for
me to pass judgement.
On the other hand, this is NY. Maybe they feel like
they’re the rebels fighting the evil liberal death star. Maybe your kids in
Utah feel like they’re the rebels fighting the evil Republican death star.
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Chuck
McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 6:11 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
Woke, broke, in therapy and crazy unhappy.
That is how I would describe some of my kids.
The alt right unwoke ones seem to have money and
happiness.
Never expected I would not be able to speak my mind at
family dinners just to be able to still see some of my kids.
Feel like I was convicted in absentia, thrown in the
hole for a lifetime sentence, but taken out of solitary confinement now and
then at their whims just so they could claim to have compassion on me for a
half hour walk in the woods. Maybe longer if I pay for dinner.
Odd times....
I loved my parents and grandparents.
Never felt they had to earn it.
Never would have thought of condemning them for the
things they said.
Funny, I have a sister that lives 1000 miles from me.
Our families were separate all while the kids were growing.
But some of hers have done the same things to her.
Using the exact same vernacular.
Must have something to do with energy drinks I think.
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