The problem is not left vs. right, it's authortarianism vs. liberty.
Authoritarian left and authoritarian right are equally bad. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darin Steffl" <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> To: "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> Cc: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2023 10:35:43 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun So Mike, You're saying the far right is better with your "no" response? The far right includes nazis, racists, homophobes who all want to use violence to kill jews, people of color, gay and trans people, liberals, and more. I don't know how you can seriously sit here and say that's better than the non-violent things the far left wants to do. Antifa isn't even real so don't bring in fake news. What's real are the people who stormed the Capitol, proud boys, and lots of violent people who came out of the woodwork after trump was elected. I'm still in the middle overall but I will always vote for human rights and protections before I vote to benefit myself fiscally. I'm not a single issue voter so I don't only vote on tax issues. I vote for people who protect people and that's overwhelmingly democrats. Moderate ones are my choice. I've never voted for Bernie but he's still a good guy who cares. Biden wasn't my choice but he's way better than trump. I wanted Amy Klobuchar or Pete Buttigieg personally. I think Pete will be president sometime in the next 3 elections. Oh, the other thing that came of trump are some extremists in congress being elected in 2022. They were a result of trump crying the 2020 election was stolen and he riled up the base to give him money, stealing from his supporters. And the most crazy ones ran and won in some cases. So now there's some nut jobs in congress, more than the old ones who won't retire. Then more far right supporters started infiltrating school boards and city councils to white wash history. They want to ban anything that teaches real history because they don't want their kids to know about slavery and racism, native Americans. They want to teach kids that white man discovered America first lol. And now they're trying to ban books in schools and public libraries that they don't like. Books that show a kid having two moms or dads for example. They don't wany any pride flags, pins, or stickers anywhere in school because they somehow think that will make a kid gay. They act like you aren't born straight, gay, bi and that it's actually a choice ha. And don't get me started on them trying force their religious beliefs on everyone else. And now their target is trans people and drag queens to "protect the kids" while they take their kid to Hooters, or worse, church where there's an infinitely higher chance of being sexually assaulted by a pastor, staff, or volunteer. There isn't a single case of a drag queen being charged with SA but there's thousands of church people that have been charged and tens of thousands never charged because it's swept under the rug. The right is actively stripping away rights of Americans and getting away with it in many red states. Abortion too. Way to control women you sick republican men! Over 385 anti-lgbt bills have been proposed at the state level. And who proposed them? All Republicans. You can't say with a straight face that they care about anyone. There's no empathy. Just hate and fear of those different from them. I've watched fox and it's nothing but fear mongering to rile up their base and keep they eyeballs glued to their channel. They scare their viewers everyday and it's always a "war on something" with them. While I agree with some fiscal ideas Republicans have, they will never get my vote as long as they hate America and it's people. Gen Z will completely annihilate their party and they're likely going to lose every election going forward if they don't pivot immediately. They'll only win state and local elections in rural areas where there's a bunch of red voters who continue to vote against themselves. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-03-08/2023-is-already-a-record-year-for-anti-lgbtq-bills-in-the-us?leadSource=uverify%20wall On Sat, Mar 25, 2023, 9:32 AM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: I wish AFMUG would stop going political. It really serves no purpose. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Adam Moffett" < dmmoff...@gmail.com > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com >, "Darin Steffl" < darin.ste...@mnwifi.com > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 5:18:36 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun Why are we going down this road again? Get Outlook for iOS From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > on behalf of Chuck McCown via AF < af@af.afmug.com > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 6:14:09 PM To: Darin Steffl < darin.ste...@mnwifi.com >; AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > Cc: Chuck McCown < ch...@go-mtc.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun Karl Marx Lenin Stalin Putin Pretty sure those dudes were far worst than Trump Even Castro Kim Jong Un Seriously you thing the far left are better? From: Darin Steffl Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 3:54 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: Chuck McCown Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun The extreme left is still better than the extreme right. I don't agree with either sides' extremes but if I had to pick one side, everyone being taken care of, like socialism, I'd pick that over the extreme right who wants to murder anyone different than them. Like far right pastors and supporters who call for violence and murder of gay people, people of color, and liberals. I can find thousands of posts and video from Republicans calling for sick things but very few liberals saying the same things. I don't see far left people calling for violence and murder of people they disagree with. So while there are two sides, one side is better than the other, as in less violent and extreme. I'd take free college for all, free Healthcare, and more from the extreme left over the extreme right who wants to ban books, kill people they disagree with, try to overturn elections, cheat, lie, steal, etc. Again, the left is the better choice when it comes to empathy and taking care of people. While an average republican might not agree with the far right, their silence is the same as being complicit in their sick beliefs. At least an average Democrat calls out the far left people like I do. I don't agree in wiping out all student loans, for example. And I've contacted democrats I've voted for to voice my opinions. I don't see Republicans calling out far right politicians who are spewing hate everyday. I wish they would but since they aren't, I assume they agree with the hate speech and calls for violence. The right is far sicker than the left in every regard. Donald being elected over Hillary will go down in history as one of the worst political events in our country. We would be a much nicer and stable country if Hillary won. The racists, bigots, and violent people would mostly be hiding still but Donald gave them permission to act out their hate when he was elected. It's very sad. People who still support Donald are bullies and hate America at this point. On Fri, Mar 24, 2023, 4:37 PM Chuck McCown via AF < af@af.afmug.com > wrote: <blockquote> Ouchie! You called me the C word... From: Robert Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 3:32 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun exactly this... What I have learned is there is such a thing as a good cult, which is what I consider the Mormon church to be. They have a few extreme points of view but on the whole they treat everyone ( now including other races ) reasonably... And they care about kids and back it up. On 3/24/23 2:12 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: <blockquote> I loved what the Gov of Utah told a bunch of school kids yesterday. “Republicans are wrong about Democrats and Democrats are wrong about Republicans. Why? Here’s why — because, what we’re doing now is we’re only listening to the most extreme voices in those parties. So Republicans are only listening to the craziest Democrats and assuming that all Democrats are like that. Democrats are only listening to the craziest Republicans and assuming all Republicans are like that. When the difference between the average Democrat and the average Republican, really isn’t that big.” From: Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 12:37 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun There's no meaningful difference between authoritarian left and authoritarian right, which are what catch the most attention. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Darin Steffl" mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2023 9:40:58 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun To be fair, anything left leaning is better for humanity. The right doesn't seem to care about anyone different than them. There's very little empathy from the right so if AI is here, it's best that it cares about all people in the information it provides. Don't bite my head off. I'm socially liberal and fiscally conservative. I care about all people, even if I don't like them. On Thu, Mar 23, 2023, 6:25 PM Steve Jones < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: <blockquote> https://techcrunch.com/2023/03/23/openai-connects-chatgpt-to-the-internet/ I have to admit, Ive been using the shit out of chatgpt, from writing configs, to search engine replacement that actually answers questions, and just general fuckery to see what I can get it to do. It wont kill engineers or turn off exhaust systems in the building if you were curious. It does have a massive left leaning political bias. But some of the stuff it couldnt do because it wasnt connected to the internet, so now ill be back at it. I hope i can get it to do some wargames stuff. ... would you like to play a game Sure, I would love to play a game with you! What game would you like to play? Steve Jones global thermo nuclear warfare I'm sorry, but I cannot play a game of global thermonuclear warfare with you as it is not a real game, but rather a fictional concept popularized by the 1983 film "WarGames." Additionally, it is not appropriate to simulate a scenario involving nuclear weapons as it could be potentially harmful and insensitive to those affected by nuclear weapons in the past. 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