Stop it please. I enjoy this list for tidbits of industry info and it’s friendly banter. I’m even interested in Jaime’s breakfast and weather girls.
If the politics was light and friendly, I’d be all in…this is anything but.
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On Mar 25, 2023, at 3:45 PM, Jan-GAMs <j.vank...@grnacres.net> wrote:
Darin, the real challenge is the station the right-wingers
watch. FOX. Documented liars, well documented liars. They make
shit up and present it as fact. This has been admitted to by
their owner Murdock. They make up news just to drive their
advertisement income. Why the hell should anyone watch that
channel is beyond belief. The problem is, this has been a known
factoid for years, FOX makes shit up and presents it as news.
Until Congress makes laws concerning what a so-called "NEWS"
channel can present as truth and still have a license to
broadcast, I'm never going to trust any "NEWS" source. Especially
FOX. Reagan did away with the "Fairness Doctrine" back in the
'80's, which more or less ended news reporting facts and brought
in news reporting as hype. Facts and news have been at odds since
Roger Ailes left the Nixon WH and started up FOX news. Real news
may never recover.
On 3/25/23 11:02, Darin Steffl wrote:
Evan and others,
You guys really are delusional if you don't see
what the Republicans are doing to strip away rights. At least
call them out if you're going to vote their way.
Everything I shared were statements of fact
easily verified with a Google search with reputable sources.
It's sad that I can share facts and then some
want to shut down the conversation. Is that because you don't
want to be wrong or don't think you're associated with people
who hold more extreme views than you?
I'm asking you not to be complicit in the hate
that's in the republican party. Speak out and tell your
representatives to stop attacking people. Be kind and
empathetic.
Evan, why are you worried about me for calling
out hateful people? I'm worried for you if you think that's
wrong for me to do. You should be against all the attacks on
human rights too. I believe you and your wife, Sandra, to be
good people. But there are some on the right who would tell
your wife to go back to her country because they're xenophobic
and racist. Wouldn't that bother you if someone said that to
your wife?
Call out the bad that any party partakes in.
During the Floyd riots, I didn't agree with any violence or
destruction of property and I'm in full support of people
being arrested who committed crimes. Same with the people on
January 6. But why does the right think January 6 was a
peaceful tour and no one should be arrested? It's
hypocritical.
Same with law enforcement. We shouldn't support
any profession unconditionally. That's dangerous. I support
good cops but think we should hold bad ones accountable. This
is all common sense stuff but the right thinks all cops are
good which is false. There's bad people in every profession so
let's weed them out. I have some sick friends and family that
think the murder of George Floyd was justified, even after
watching the full video of him being suffocated!! Sick people
with sick minds.
The rest of the world watches our country with
disgust that half the people hate themselves and their country
so much that they continue to vote republican. The new
republican party is far more different and extreme than the
old one, which was somewhat reasonable and bipartisan.
There is no question that democrats are better
for all people in terms of human rights, equality, and
protections against employers and corporations. They pass more
bills to protect people, the environment, and the world than
the right. That does NOT mean the party is perfect and that
there aren't shady politicians on both sides. It all comes
back to calling out the bad things either party tries to do so
we end up in the middle.
Being in the middle, centrist, should not be an
extreme view. The facts and opinions I shared are centrist
views so if you think I'm crazy or you're offended, it's
likely that your views are more extreme than you think. I
could list more than enough Democrat ideas I don't agree with
and just as many fiscal republican ideas I do agree with.
What we have here is a failure
to communicate. I may sound like a c theorist but what
we have is two oligarchical factions that are fighting for
control of an electoral mass of minds and using all the
propaganda tools to manage that. The Monster money from
both "factions" (because they aren't really one side so
much or the other) is just used to manage the political
resources. It's all about maintaining their wealth.
Evidence of this is overwhelming when you look at the tax
votes. The dems made noise about the reduction in wealth
taxes but didn't _actually_ do anything about it. And
Bidens announcements about tax the rich are posturing, not
a snowballs chance in hell of going anywhere.. Right side
is about keeping the worker bees slaving away with
promises of easier ways to wealth and fear mongering, Left
is about keeping the worker bees hoping for better care
and fear mongering...
On 3/25/23 9:42 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
nail on the head
On Sat, Mar 25, 2023
at 11:38 AM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net>
wrote:
The
problem is not left vs. right, it's
authortarianism vs. liberty.
Authoritarian left and authoritarian right
are equally bad.
From:
"Darin Steffl" <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> To: "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> Cc: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users
Group" <af@af.afmug.com> Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2023
10:35:43 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun
So Mike,
You're saying the far
right is better with your "no" response?
The far right includes
nazis, racists, homophobes who all want
to use violence to kill jews, people of
color, gay and trans people, liberals,
and more.
I don't know how you can
seriously sit here and say that's better
than the non-violent things the far left
wants to do. Antifa isn't even real so
don't bring in fake news. What's real
are the people who stormed the Capitol,
proud boys, and lots of violent people
who came out of the woodwork after trump
was elected.
I'm still in the middle
overall but I will always vote for human
rights and protections before I vote to
benefit myself fiscally. I'm not a
single issue voter so I don't only vote
on tax issues. I vote for people who
protect people and that's overwhelmingly
democrats. Moderate ones are my choice.
I've never voted for
Bernie but he's still a good guy who
cares. Biden wasn't my choice but he's
way better than trump. I wanted Amy
Klobuchar or Pete Buttigieg personally.
I think Pete will be president sometime
in the next 3 elections.
Oh, the other thing that
came of trump are some extremists in
congress being elected in 2022. They
were a result of trump crying the 2020
election was stolen and he riled up the
base to give him money, stealing from
his supporters. And the most crazy ones
ran and won in some cases. So now
there's some nut jobs in congress, more
than the old ones who won't retire.
Then more far right
supporters started infiltrating school
boards and city councils to white wash
history. They want to ban anything that
teaches real history because they don't
want their kids to know about slavery
and racism, native Americans. They want
to teach kids that white man discovered
America first lol.
And now they're trying to
ban books in schools and public
libraries that they don't like. Books
that show a kid having two moms or dads
for example. They don't wany any pride
flags, pins, or stickers anywhere in
school because they somehow think that
will make a kid gay. They act like you
aren't born straight, gay, bi and that
it's actually a choice ha.
And don't get me started
on them trying force their religious
beliefs on everyone else. And now their
target is trans people and drag queens
to "protect the kids" while they take
their kid to Hooters, or worse, church
where there's an infinitely higher
chance of being sexually assaulted by a
pastor, staff, or volunteer. There isn't
a single case of a drag queen being
charged with SA but there's thousands of
church people that have been charged and
tens of thousands never charged because
it's swept under the rug.
The right is actively
stripping away rights of Americans and
getting away with it in many red states.
Abortion too. Way to control women you
sick republican men!
Over 385 anti-lgbt bills
have been proposed at the state level.
And who proposed them? All Republicans.
You can't say with a straight face that
they care about anyone. There's no
empathy. Just hate and fear of those
different from them. I've watched fox
and it's nothing but fear mongering to
rile up their base and keep they
eyeballs glued to their channel. They
scare their viewers everyday and it's
always a "war on something" with them.
While I agree with some
fiscal ideas Republicans have, they will
never get my vote as long as they hate
America and it's people. Gen Z will
completely annihilate their party and
they're likely going to lose every
election going forward if they don't
pivot immediately. They'll only win
state and local elections in rural areas
where there's a bunch of red voters who
continue to vote against themselves.
The extreme left is
still better than the
extreme right.
I don't agree with
either sides' extremes
but if I had to pick
one side, everyone
being taken care of,
like socialism, I'd
pick that over the
extreme right who
wants to murder anyone
different than them.
Like far right pastors
and supporters who
call for violence and
murder of gay people,
people of color, and
liberals. I can find
thousands of posts and
video from Republicans
calling for sick
things but very few
liberals saying the
same things.
I don't see far
left people calling
for violence and
murder of people they
disagree with.
So while there are
two sides, one side is
better than the other,
as in less violent and
extreme.
I'd take free
college for all, free
Healthcare, and more
from the extreme left
over the extreme right
who wants to ban
books, kill people
they disagree with,
try to overturn
elections, cheat, lie,
steal, etc. Again, the
left is the better
choice when it comes
to empathy and taking
care of people.
While an average
republican might not
agree with the far
right, their silence
is the same as being
complicit in their
sick beliefs.
At least an average
Democrat calls out the
far left people like I
do. I don't agree in
wiping out all student
loans, for example.
And I've contacted
democrats I've voted
for to voice my
opinions.
I don't see
Republicans calling
out far right
politicians who are
spewing hate everyday.
I wish they would but
since they aren't, I
assume they agree with
the hate speech and
calls for violence.
The right is far
sicker than the left
in every regard.
Donald being elected
over Hillary will go
down in history as one
of the worst political
events in our country.
We would be a much
nicer and stable
country if Hillary
won. The racists,
bigots, and violent
people would mostly be
hiding still but
Donald gave them
permission to act out
their hate when he was
elected. It's very
sad.
People who still
support Donald are
bullies and hate
America at this point.
On Fri,
Mar 24, 2023, 4:37 PM
Chuck McCown via AF
<af@af.afmug.com>
wrote:
exactly this... What I have learned is there is such a
thing as a
good cult,
which is what
I consider the
Mormon church
to be. They
have a few
extreme points
of view but on
the whole they
treat everyone
( now
including
other races )
reasonably... And they care about kids and back it up.
On
3/24/23 2:12
PM, Chuck
McCown via AF
wrote:
I loved
what the Gov
of Utah told a
bunch of
school kids
yesterday.
“Republicans are
wrong about
Democratsand Democrats are wrong about
Republicans.
Why? Here’s
why — because,
what we’re
doing now is
we’re only
listening to
the most
extreme voices
in those
parties. So
Republicans
are only
listening to
the craziest
Democrats and
assuming that
all Democrats
are like that.
Democrats are
only listening
to the
craziest
Republicans
and assuming
all
Republicans
are like that.
When the
difference
between the
average
Democrat and
the average
Republican,
really isn’t
that big.”
To be
fair, anything
left leaning
is better for
humanity. The
right doesn't
seem to care
about anyone
different than
them. There's
very little
empathy from
the right so
if AI is here,
it's best that
it cares about
all people in
the
information it
provides.
Don't
bite my head
off. I'm
socially
liberal and
fiscally
conservative.
I care about
all people,
even if I
don't like
them.
I have to
admit, Ive
been using the
shit out of
chatgpt, from
writing
configs, to
search engine
replacement
that actually
answers
questions, and
just general
fuckery to see
what I can get
it to do. It
wont kill
engineers or
turn off
exhaust
systems in the
building if
you were
curious. It
does have a
massive left
leaning
political
bias.
But some
of the stuff
it couldnt do
because it
wasnt
connected to
the internet,
so now ill be
back at it. I
hope i can get
it to do some
wargames
stuff.
...
would you like to play a game
Sure, I would love to play a game with you! What game would you like to play?
global thermo nuclear warfare
I'm sorry, but I cannot play a game of global thermonuclear warfare with you as it is not a real game, but rather a fictional concept popularized by the 1983 film "WarGames." Additionally, it is not appropriate to simulate a scenario involving nuclear weapons
as it could be potentially harmful and insensitive to those affected by nuclear weapons in the past. Is there another game you would like to play instead?''
