they can choose to love their country or their investments.
On Mon, Jul 8, 2024, 12:09 PM <ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote: > I doubt they would ever go for that but I do think their investments need > to be managed by a blind trust. > > > > *From:* Steve Jones > *Sent:* Monday, July 8, 2024 10:33 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Happy Holidays > > Id support it to a degree for basic care and privatized insurance for > everything else. but there would have to be fat cut from the national > budget and I dont see that ever happening, Would have the caveat that no > politician can hold any private investments in any company, they have to > liquidate and place their money in a 1% federally insured account for the > duration of their office. > > It would never work here, too much grift. > > > > On Mon, Jul 8, 2024 at 11:15 AM <ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote: > >> I am all for nationalized health care. But I am old enough that it is >> right around the corner for me. >> My wife just about croaked in Barcelona last summer. Spent a week in a >> hospital there until I arranged a jail break. Paid absolutely nothing. >> >> >> *From:* dmmoff...@gmail.com >> *Sent:* Monday, July 8, 2024 8:16 AM >> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Happy Holidays >> >> >> To the original post: People hung up on college degrees might not be if >> they saw what some of the trades are making. I’ve been in communications & >> IT for 24 years, but if I’d started as an electrical linesman instead then >> I’d be only a few years from retirement. They are doing hard--and >> sometimes dangerous—work, but they are getting paid big bucks to do it. >> People in master mechanics programs are also cleaning house right now. >> >> >> >> I have a CIS degree. My experience is that college teaches you *about* >> things, but not how to *do* things. Sometimes you do need that >> background about the topic to be good at doing it, and other times it >> really didn’t matter. It’s also clear to me that what you get out of >> college is proportional to what you put into it (and I suppose that’s true >> of life in general), so if someone is going to college because it’s >> expected of them and not because of a real interest in the subject then >> their outcome will be less optimal than if they did something they actually >> liked or at least found engaging. >> >> >> >> To Steve regarding funding STEM degrees: I agree whole heartedly with >> that, and it’s something I’ve said in other forums. Someone told me that >> funding only STEM degrees is equivalent to the government telling people >> what jobs they can have. Au contraire, the *economy* is telling people >> what jobs they can have, and this would just be allocating funding >> according to economic reality. You can get a degree in chemical >> engineering and still become an English teacher if you happen to be good at >> that subject, and that’s what you really want to do, but you’d also have >> another marketable set of knowledge you can use in other contexts. >> >> >> >> I’ll take you one step further: I consider myself a conservative (a >> moderate one; a New York conservative), and I’m on board with universal >> healthcare. Let’s do it. Forget the bleeding heart arguments about it, >> just look at the economic realities. >> >> 1) The systems in other countries result in less health care spending per >> capita. >> >> 2) In countries with universal healthcare their small businesses and >> startups are not handicapped with trying to pay for employees’ health >> insurance. Here they have to offer insurance to be competitive in the >> labor market, and it’s a major hurdle for having success with a business. >> >> 3) We *already* put about as much public money per capita into covering >> people’s medical bills as other countries do, and we’re only covering a >> portion of people with specific circumstances. Either get all meddling >> fingers out of it and let the market figure out what to do, or go all in >> and rebuild the system so it works. We’re one foot in and one foot out >> right now and it’s brutally expensive and by many metrics it’s not all that >> effective. I know some would argue more in favor of letting the market >> handle it, but recall that we’ve done that before and we had quacks calling >> themselves doctors and selling all kinds of bullshit to people. I’m >> thinking back when Coca-Cola contained cocaine and was sold as a medicine. >> If you let the market run the show completely then you have to accept bad >> outcomes along with the good ones. Civil court didn’t fix it all then, and >> I don’t see why it would now either. >> >> >> >> -Adam >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones >> *Sent:* Friday, July 05, 2024 7:24 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Happy Holidays >> >> >> >> I think im one of the only conservatives that is pro free higher >> education. More as an investment than as an expense >> >> >> >> remove all liberal arts, STEM, not STEAM only (you want an art history >> degree, you can pay for it), 1:1 community service requirement per >> classroom instruction hour, manual labor or degree related community >> service only, 90% mandatory score, 95% mandatory attendance, 100 percent >> drug and alcohol abstinence during the school year, tested biweekly. Zero >> criminal tolerance. You pay on the loan until youve completed the mandatory >> community service and repay all deferments from that time period. Then each >> year you maintain full time employment, 10 percent is waived for 10 years. >> but that would actually require something, so of course it would be too >> unfair. >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 12:52 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) < >> li...@packetflux.com> wrote: >> >> I feel that it's time for college to go through a major revision. >> >> >> >> First, I lean quite strongly toward the Mike Rowe worldview in that we >> need to quit telling our kids that they need a college education to make it >> in this world. Right now if you're in one of the blue collar trades you're >> far better off than a lot of the people who have ms or bs degrees. There >> will always be a demand for plumbers, electricians, mechanics, and so on. >> >> >> >> On the college side, we need to adjust what we teach to provide for a >> condensed program where you cut out most (but not all) of the non-relevant >> programs. Yes, it's hard to learn certain trades without college, but a >> degree in computer science shouldn't need a lot of the liberal arts classes. >> >> >> >> Finally, we need to reform the student loan program so that we quit >> graduating students with degrees in underwater basketweaving with 6 figure >> loan balances. Right now, lenders are able to loan to anyone without risk >> and as such there is no incentive for lenders or schools to ensure that the >> students will be able to repay their loans from a typical job in the >> student's chosen degree program. This has led to ballooning tuition and >> overall school costs since there is no pressure to keep costs low. >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 4, 2024, 10:36 AM <ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote: >> >> With the risk of starting something, I thought I would inject some >> observations: >> >> >> >> I do watch Charley Kirk on YouTube for a quick fix of watching him >> dissolve some of the woke ideology being spouted by young college kids. >> For me it is like junk food for my worldview. Can only take so much of it, >> like eating too many sweets. And he can get a bit too alt-right for me at >> times. >> >> >> >> Yesterday he was preaching something that I think he was partially, >> perhaps mostly wrong about. He is a college dropout and preaches that >> college is a scam and you would be better off just learning to code and >> find an internship that does not require a degree. >> >> >> >> I think he is only partially right. >> >> By and large, most BA programs are probably not worth the money unless >> they go onto grad school. A BA in art history doesn’t have much value when >> searching Indeed for a job. It can however get you into law school. >> >> >> >> And we all know that if you start and successfully run a WISP you >> absolutely must be an autodidact. An autodidact with ambition. Cannot >> pick up either of those at a college. And do not need college to be a >> superior ISP or WISP. It does however take a special type of person. >> >> >> >> But there are a couple of areas where I know, from personal experience, >> that you really benefit from formal education: >> >> >> >> 1) Computer Science – the part where you learn hardware theory, >> operating system design, compiler design, advanced data structures, OO >> methods etc. Really hard to pick up this stuff by watching youtube >> videos. And really hard to get any good at it unless you are forced to do >> homework and labs. Understanding what happens with the hardware, the stack >> and OS during a hardware interrupt is important and not so easy to learn on >> your own. Try to write some DSP functions from scratch on your own... or >> perhaps some machine code to hand optimize a MCU routine. Much easier if >> you had a class on assembly. >> >> >> >> 2) RF and antennas. Reflection coefficients and the mastery of Smith >> charts. EM simulation software and optimization. S11 and PCB stripline >> and microstrip layout. Etc etc. Again, a good autodidact can teach >> themselves anything. But I tried for years to master Smith charts and it >> was not until college that I finally got to where I could use them. >> Now-a-days the software does it all for you but you still need to know. >> >> >> >> 3) To understand some of this stuff, like DSP etc, you also need some >> upper level math, calculus and trig. Hard to do on your own. >> >> >> >> I also imagine that if you want to get into medical school, classes on >> chemistry, biology etc are essential. All PE programs will always need >> degreed engineers. So yeah Charley, if you get a liberal arts degree, I >> would tend to agree with you that your fathers money was probably wasted. >> But many of the BS degrees are not a scam or waste. >> >> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> ------------------------------ >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > ------------------------------ > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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