im all for putting the coke back in the coke, so much more productivity from the coke drinking workforce
On Mon, Jul 8, 2024 at 9:59 AM Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com> wrote: > Awww, you’re telling me they took the coke out of Coke? Next you’re going > to tell me there’s no worm in tequila bottles. > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *dmmoff...@gmail.com > *Sent:* Monday, July 8, 2024 9:16 AM > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Happy Holidays > > > > To the original post: People hung up on college degrees might not be if > they saw what some of the trades are making. I’ve been in communications & > IT for 24 years, but if I’d started as an electrical linesman instead then > I’d be only a few years from retirement. They are doing hard--and > sometimes dangerous—work, but they are getting paid big bucks to do it. > People in master mechanics programs are also cleaning house right now. > > > > I have a CIS degree. My experience is that college teaches you *about* > things, but not how to *do* things. Sometimes you do need that > background about the topic to be good at doing it, and other times it > really didn’t matter. It’s also clear to me that what you get out of > college is proportional to what you put into it (and I suppose that’s true > of life in general), so if someone is going to college because it’s > expected of them and not because of a real interest in the subject then > their outcome will be less optimal than if they did something they actually > liked or at least found engaging. > > > > To Steve regarding funding STEM degrees: I agree whole heartedly with > that, and it’s something I’ve said in other forums. Someone told me that > funding only STEM degrees is equivalent to the government telling people > what jobs they can have. Au contraire, the *economy* is telling people > what jobs they can have, and this would just be allocating funding > according to economic reality. You can get a degree in chemical > engineering and still become an English teacher if you happen to be good at > that subject, and that’s what you really want to do, but you’d also have > another marketable set of knowledge you can use in other contexts. > > > > I’ll take you one step further: I consider myself a conservative (a > moderate one; a New York conservative), and I’m on board with universal > healthcare. Let’s do it. Forget the bleeding heart arguments about it, > just look at the economic realities. > > 1) The systems in other countries result in less health care spending per > capita. > > 2) In countries with universal healthcare their small businesses and > startups are not handicapped with trying to pay for employees’ health > insurance. Here they have to offer insurance to be competitive in the > labor market, and it’s a major hurdle for having success with a business. > > 3) We *already* put about as much public money per capita into covering > people’s medical bills as other countries do, and we’re only covering a > portion of people with specific circumstances. Either get all meddling > fingers out of it and let the market figure out what to do, or go all in > and rebuild the system so it works. We’re one foot in and one foot out > right now and it’s brutally expensive and by many metrics it’s not all that > effective. I know some would argue more in favor of letting the market > handle it, but recall that we’ve done that before and we had quacks calling > themselves doctors and selling all kinds of bullshit to people. I’m > thinking back when Coca-Cola contained cocaine and was sold as a medicine. > If you let the market run the show completely then you have to accept bad > outcomes along with the good ones. Civil court didn’t fix it all then, and > I don’t see why it would now either. > > > > -Adam > > > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones > *Sent:* Friday, July 05, 2024 7:24 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Happy Holidays > > > > I think im one of the only conservatives that is pro free higher > education. More as an investment than as an expense > > > > remove all liberal arts, STEM, not STEAM only (you want an art history > degree, you can pay for it), 1:1 community service requirement per > classroom instruction hour, manual labor or degree related community > service only, 90% mandatory score, 95% mandatory attendance, 100 percent > drug and alcohol abstinence during the school year, tested biweekly. Zero > criminal tolerance. You pay on the loan until youve completed the mandatory > community service and repay all deferments from that time period. Then each > year you maintain full time employment, 10 percent is waived for 10 years. > but that would actually require something, so of course it would be too > unfair. > > > > On Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 12:52 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) < > li...@packetflux.com> wrote: > > I feel that it's time for college to go through a major revision. > > > > First, I lean quite strongly toward the Mike Rowe worldview in that we > need to quit telling our kids that they need a college education to make it > in this world. Right now if you're in one of the blue collar trades you're > far better off than a lot of the people who have ms or bs degrees. There > will always be a demand for plumbers, electricians, mechanics, and so on. > > > > On the college side, we need to adjust what we teach to provide for a > condensed program where you cut out most (but not all) of the non-relevant > programs. Yes, it's hard to learn certain trades without college, but a > degree in computer science shouldn't need a lot of the liberal arts classes. > > > > Finally, we need to reform the student loan program so that we quit > graduating students with degrees in underwater basketweaving with 6 figure > loan balances. Right now, lenders are able to loan to anyone without risk > and as such there is no incentive for lenders or schools to ensure that the > students will be able to repay their loans from a typical job in the > student's chosen degree program. This has led to ballooning tuition and > overall school costs since there is no pressure to keep costs low. > > > > On Thu, Jul 4, 2024, 10:36 AM <ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote: > > With the risk of starting something, I thought I would inject some > observations: > > > > I do watch Charley Kirk on YouTube for a quick fix of watching him > dissolve some of the woke ideology being spouted by young college kids. > For me it is like junk food for my worldview. Can only take so much of it, > like eating too many sweets. And he can get a bit too alt-right for me at > times. > > > > Yesterday he was preaching something that I think he was partially, > perhaps mostly wrong about. He is a college dropout and preaches that > college is a scam and you would be better off just learning to code and > find an internship that does not require a degree. > > > > I think he is only partially right. > > By and large, most BA programs are probably not worth the money unless > they go onto grad school. A BA in art history doesn’t have much value when > searching Indeed for a job. It can however get you into law school. > > > > And we all know that if you start and successfully run a WISP you > absolutely must be an autodidact. An autodidact with ambition. Cannot > pick up either of those at a college. And do not need college to be a > superior ISP or WISP. It does however take a special type of person. > > > > But there are a couple of areas where I know, from personal experience, > that you really benefit from formal education: > > > > 1) Computer Science – the part where you learn hardware theory, > operating system design, compiler design, advanced data structures, OO > methods etc. Really hard to pick up this stuff by watching youtube > videos. And really hard to get any good at it unless you are forced to do > homework and labs. Understanding what happens with the hardware, the stack > and OS during a hardware interrupt is important and not so easy to learn on > your own. Try to write some DSP functions from scratch on your own... or > perhaps some machine code to hand optimize a MCU routine. Much easier if > you had a class on assembly. > > > > 2) RF and antennas. Reflection coefficients and the mastery of Smith > charts. EM simulation software and optimization. S11 and PCB stripline > and microstrip layout. Etc etc. Again, a good autodidact can teach > themselves anything. But I tried for years to master Smith charts and it > was not until college that I finally got to where I could use them. > Now-a-days the software does it all for you but you still need to know. > > > > 3) To understand some of this stuff, like DSP etc, you also need some > upper level math, calculus and trig. Hard to do on your own. > > > > I also imagine that if you want to get into medical school, classes on > chemistry, biology etc are essential. All PE programs will always need > degreed engineers. So yeah Charley, if you get a liberal arts degree, I > would tend to agree with you that your fathers money was probably wasted. > But many of the BS degrees are not a scam or waste. > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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