what? On Fri, Mar 27, 2026 at 11:08 AM Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote:
> Supposedly average attention span is now down to 40 seconds, so if you > want to convince someone, you need to explain it in a few words. > Preferably using talking points their brain will recognize and already > agree with, and the person can just nod and go “yep, yep”. Even if your > explanation is wrong or irrelevant. Virtually all political messaging > follows these guidelines. > > > > Let go of this “movies aren’t real” idea, it’s a non-starter. You can’t > tell people new ideas. Just activate pre-programmed areas of their > shriveled brains. > > > > *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones > *Sent:* Friday, March 27, 2026 10:37 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FCC Router Ban > > > > I wonder how much we pay in excess on hardware for the space to be > available for all the different surveillances that get built into them in > manufacture or in transit. Even the Power transformers they found with the > communication devices in then had to offset the hardware cost somewhere in > the supply chain. > I would love to see real education be put out into the world and general > populations actually listen that movies arent real, but neither is digital > safety. I operate under the assumption that every device I interact with is > hijacked or will be hijacked. I laugh at security guys who present as if > theyre anything more than a nuisance, like a mosquito, to bad actors > > > > On Fri, Mar 27, 2026 at 9:14 AM Adam Moffett <[email protected]> wrote: > > I can't prove any specific manufacturer *doesn't* put intentional > unpublished exploits into equipment. > > On the other hand, I don't see why any company would take the risk. If > such a thing were discovered their business would be ruined. > > > > On the other other hand, the NSA has apparently intercepted shipments of > equipment headed overseas to modify the hardware or firmware to include > surveillance tools. So maybe Foxconn or Huawei doesn't install a backdoor, > but that doesn't mean the PRC's intelligence agencies don't install one > after the fact. > > > > On the other other other hand, I don't picture those state level actions > being targeted at consumer routers. You'd target something strategically > useful, like the router being shipped to a Telco CO in Washington DC. > > > > So that leaves me with this being an economic/trade policy implemented > under the guise of national security. Whether it's right, wrong, or > indifferent that's what it has to be. > > > > -Adam > > > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* AF <[email protected]> on behalf of Ken Hohhof < > [email protected]> > *Sent:* Thursday, March 26, 2026 6:15 PM > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FCC Router Ban > > > > I keep seeing statements that firmware updates will be allowed until > 2027. Are they seriously suggesting they would ban firmware updates to old > routers? How does that help security? Are they thinking some nation state > could send out malicious firmware updates? It strikes me as just the > opposite of what you want. > > > > They keep citing Salt Typhoon as justification. If I look up Salt Typhoon > in Wikipedia, I see this: > > > > “In late 2024 U.S. officials announced that hackers affiliated with Salt > Typhoon had accessed the computer systems of nine U.S. telecommunications > companies, later acknowledged to include Verizon, AT&T, T-Mobile, Spectrum, > Lumen, Consolidated Communications, and Windstream. The attack targeted > U.S. broadband networks, particularly core network components, including > routers manufactured by Cisco, which route large portions of the Internet. > In October 2024, U.S. officials revealed that the group had compromised > internet service provider (ISP) systems used to fulfill CALEA requests used > by U.S. law enforcement and intelligence agencies to conduct > court-authorized wiretapping.” > > > > So telephone company infrastructure not residential, Cisco routers, and if > I remember right they hacked into the infrastructure required by the US > govt for court ordered wiretaps. Other examples they cite as justifying > this order involve end-of-support routers no longer getting firmware > updates. > > > > *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones > *Sent:* Thursday, March 26, 2026 4:59 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FCC Router Ban > > > > This isnt really a big deal. every existing certified device can still be > manufactured and sold. TP-Link is already building US manufacturing. They > will dominate for a while on the consumer market. > The waivers will be applied to companies that arent actually chinese. they > skirted rules by manufacturing in partner nations, now thats banned and > will force silicon changes to non chinese > > > > On Tue, Mar 24, 2026 at 3:03 PM Josh Luthman <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Legally? Michigan. > > > > > https://www.calix.com/press-release/2024/07/calix-announces-bead-compliant-broadband-platform.html#:~:text=The%20vast%20portfolio%20of%20Calix,broadband%20experiences%20for%20their%20communities > . > > Reality? Just like everything else...Taiwan/Vietnam. > > > > IDK where you're getting memory if not for one of the big three. > > > > On Tue, Mar 24, 2026 at 3:49 PM David Hannum via AF <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Josh, you're a Calix shop. Where are Calix routers made? > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 24, 2026 at 3:37 PM Josh Luthman <[email protected]> > wrote: > > It's blacklisted by default. > > > Then there are exemptions that whitelist. > > > > On Tue, Mar 24, 2026 at 2:46 PM Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: > > You can apply for an exemption. (wink, wink) > > > > The determination included an exemption for routers that the Department of > War (DoW) or the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) have granted > “Conditional Approval” after finding that such device or devices do not > pose such unacceptable risks. Producers of consumer-grade routers are > encouraged to submit an application for Conditional Approval using the > guidance attached to the determination. Applications should be submitted to > [email protected]. > > > > *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2026 1:30 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> > *Subject:* [AFMUG] FCC Router Ban > > > > I haven't read the full order, but this looks to include a significant > number of manufactures (including Mikrotik). I can't think of any consumer > routers that are manufactured domestically. 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