There is nothing more government than the government mandating a backdoor for wiretapping - and when their own backdoor gets hacked breaking out the regulation sledgehammer to regulate something completely unrelated.
Never ever let a perfectly good crisis of your own creation go to waste! Mark > On Mar 26, 2026, at 6:15 PM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: > > I keep seeing statements that firmware updates will be allowed until 2027. > Are they seriously suggesting they would ban firmware updates to old routers? > How does that help security? Are they thinking some nation state could send > out malicious firmware updates? It strikes me as just the opposite of what > you want. > > They keep citing Salt Typhoon as justification. If I look up Salt Typhoon in > Wikipedia, I see this: > > “In late 2024 U.S. officials announced that hackers affiliated with Salt > Typhoon had accessed the computer systems of nine U.S. telecommunications > companies, later acknowledged to include Verizon, AT&T, T-Mobile, Spectrum, > Lumen, Consolidated Communications, and Windstream. The attack targeted U.S. > broadband networks, particularly core network components, including routers > manufactured by Cisco, which route large portions of the Internet. In October > 2024, U.S. officials revealed that the group had compromised internet service > provider (ISP) systems used to fulfill CALEA requests used by U.S. law > enforcement and intelligence agencies to conduct court-authorized > wiretapping.” > > So telephone company infrastructure not residential, Cisco routers, and if I > remember right they hacked into the infrastructure required by the US govt > for court ordered wiretaps. Other examples they cite as justifying this > order involve end-of-support routers no longer getting firmware updates. > > From: AF <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf > Of Steve Jones > Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2026 4:59 PM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Router Ban > > This isnt really a big deal. every existing certified device can still be > manufactured and sold. TP-Link is already building US manufacturing. They > will dominate for a while on the consumer market. > The waivers will be applied to companies that arent actually chinese. they > skirted rules by manufacturing in partner nations, now thats banned and will > force silicon changes to non chinese > > On Tue, Mar 24, 2026 at 3:03 PM Josh Luthman <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> Legally? Michigan. >> >> https://www.calix.com/press-release/2024/07/calix-announces-bead-compliant-broadband-platform.html#:~:text=The%20vast%20portfolio%20of%20Calix,broadband%20experiences%20for%20their%20communities. >> >> Reality? Just like everything else...Taiwan/Vietnam. >> >> IDK where you're getting memory if not for one of the big three. >> >> On Tue, Mar 24, 2026 at 3:49 PM David Hannum via AF <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> Josh, you're a Calix shop. Where are Calix routers made? >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2026 at 3:37 PM Josh Luthman <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> It's blacklisted by default. >>>> >>>> Then there are exemptions that whitelist. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2026 at 2:46 PM Ken Hohhof <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>> You can apply for an exemption. (wink, wink) >>>>> >>>>> The determination included an exemption for routers that the Department >>>>> of War (DoW) or the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) have granted >>>>> “Conditional Approval” after finding that such device or devices do not >>>>> pose such unacceptable risks. Producers of consumer-grade routers are >>>>> encouraged to submit an application for Conditional Approval using the >>>>> guidance attached to the determination. Applications should be submitted >>>>> to [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>. >>>>> >>>>> From: AF <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> On >>>>> Behalf Of Jason McKemie >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2026 1:30 PM >>>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> >>>>> Subject: [AFMUG] FCC Router Ban >>>>> >>>>> I haven't read the full order, but this looks to include a significant >>>>> number of manufactures (including Mikrotik). I can't think of any >>>>> consumer routers that are manufactured domestically. Am I missing >>>>> something? >>>>> -- >>>>> AF mailing list >>>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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