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----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Jenkins via Af" <af@afmug.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 7:35:33 PM Subject: [AFMUG] TVWS Alive or Dead? Was: Re: Dear Cambium You think TVWS is dead? I am curious why. I feel it's a hope on the next hill over not a dream on the distant horizon. We are going to trial the Runcom Wimax product ASAP in TVWS. For us, a lot of our area isn't even serviceable with 900mhz (assuming clean spectrum). Customer's less than a mile away would have too many trees for 900 to connect. Yes, even when that 900 was installed 150ft up a tree. TVWS has the chance to reach lots of those who don't have access to broadband or even cell service. For many people a 2mbps/256kbps is way better than satellite. They can VPN, game, and VOIP. They might not be able to stream high def all day but they can get satellite TV for that. Its the trade off for living so rural. For the past 6 months we have been deploying Telrad WiMAX in 3.65 and it's coverage and performance has been phenomenal. I am really excited to see what WiMAX applied to TVWS from Runcom can do. There has been talk about how the FSK is still a thriving product. In perfect conditions FSK provides 14mbps aggregate throughput. Runcom is estimating 15-20mbps aggregate throughput in average conditions. You also get 2 APs per Base Station with a built in ASN or use a gateway. Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 09/19/2014 05:15 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote: > The TVWS ship has sailed.. and sank. The best we can hope for is that > the SCADA folks move there. And then Tommy Boy will probably give all > that spectrum away to his cellco buddies. > > On 9/19/2014 7:09 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: >> I meant it in the spirit of the Stride gum commercials. Chew another >> piece already! >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPSkCEYpShA >> >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Rory Conaway via Af >> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 6:46 PM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium >> >> Ken, I'm going to have to disagree with your statement about Cambium >> screwing themselves because they built them to last forever. People >> are willing to pay for quality since cost of ownership is much >> lower. For example, if Cambium had the ePMP even 2 years ago or >> something 802.11 compatible (not that the ePMP is compatible), I >> would rather have paid 50% more for a radio that will be here in 5 >> years. I consider that the minimum life of the product before a new >> technology needs to be deployed and from an accounting standpoint, it >> fits the depreciation schedule. As it is, we assume Ubiquiti will >> last 3 years since that's been our experience. We are seeing the >> Nanobridges, AirRouters, and Toughswitches fail even faster than that >> though so our financials have to be adjusted and we have to charge >> more to cover it. Our hope is that the new Nanobeams have a longer >> average lifespan than the last 2 product series so that all is right >> with the world. >> >> As for 900Mhz, there are people that need something in that band. >> However, it's going to take a different technology than 802.11 or >> something along the lines of an advanced 802.11 product to work down >> there. Other than the WiMax products going into that band, I know of >> 2 other companies that have the potential to do some amazing things >> with the band and another technology that may be able to be used in >> that band. We will see how that plays out. >> >> I think short term if I was having to move into the sub-1GHz band, >> I'd seriously be looking at White Space as a temporary solution. You >> might have to be creative with the financing options but I saw Radio >> Shack increase sales by bringing in outside financing options for >> clients when computers were big in the 80's, maybe there is something >> that could be done there. I'm sure WISPER Ventures or one of the >> companies that have specialized financing might be able to come up >> with something. >> >> Rory >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless....@afmug.com] On >> Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af >> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 3:16 PM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium >> >> Are you sure Cambium is making money on PMP100? Remember, they don't >> get any money for a used radio. It's not like Cisco who thinks you >> will buy SmartNet on a router off eBay. >> >> I'm sure they do sell some new PMP100, but they really screwed >> themselves by making them last forever. >> >> So some new product to replace 900 FSK rather than just a free >> firmware upgrade for a radio built and sold long ago is probably what >> some Cambium product manager loses sleep over. If only LTE was >> cheap. If only TVWS was cheap. If only there was some more low >> frequency spectrum that WISPs could get access to. If only power >> companies would stop using 900 for smartgrid. >> >> Didn't Tesla have some method of sending signals through the ground? >> >> But I really have to wonder about you WISPs that use 900 as your >> bread and butter, how do you compete with stuff like Exede? Yes, I >> know the usage cap, but how much usage can you rack up on a >> connection that doesn't support video streaming anyway? We need to >> be either cheaper than Exede, or just as fast with higher usage >> caps. Or be lucky enough to be in an area where they don't have spot >> beams. And AT&T, Verizon, Sprint and DISH don't have fixed wireless >> over LTE. And the ILEC doesn't get CAF money to run fiber or VDSL. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Christopher Tyler via Af >> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 4:34 PM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium >> >> I love the 450, 450 is awesome, but 90% of our subs are on 900 MHz, >> what do we do there, where is our upgrade path, what is the >> replacement for PMP100 in 900 MHz? >> We have no alternative to 900 for most of our customers where we are, >> too many hills and trees. We are still deploying 900 MHz radios in >> large quantities simply because we can't use anything else. Sure >> would be nice to have an easy way to configure those radios, we >> (Animal Farm) have only been asking for that feature for the last 8 >> years, not like they didn't know about it or have the time to figure >> it out. Now they are giving it to us, but only on a platform where >> we don't really need it yet. >> >> While I understand that PMP100 is somewhat antiquated, Cambium is >> still making money on it and will continue to make money on it, so >> why not give us at least some development beyond bug fixes at least >> until there is a 900 replacement? Why not a 450 in 900 MHz that's >> using the newer hardware but still only 2x modulation. We would >> literally buy thousands of them within the next year. >> >> -- >> Christopher Tyler >> MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE >> Total Highspeed Internet Services >> 417.851.1107 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mathew Howard via Af" <af@afmug.com> >> To: af@afmug.com >> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 4:12:25 PM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium >> >> or even better, put up the ePMP in 5.1, and you could leave it there >> and not lose the 6db. >> ________________________________ >> From: Af [af-bounces+mathew=litewire....@afmug.com] on behalf of Adam >> Moffett via Af [af@afmug.com] >> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 4:06 PM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium >> >> You should check out ePMP 2.2 firmware. The new GUI is much better. >> Not the same as Canopy, but it's a lot more familiar to navigate now. >> >> If you replace PMP100 with anything else it will be a forklift no >> matter what. The good thing about ePMP and 450 is they both have 5.7 >> and 5.4 in the same unit. Presumably your PMP100 is 5.7. Did they >> even make that in 5.4? So you put your new one on a 5.4 channel, >> start replacing subscribers, then switch it back to 5.7 so you can >> have your 6db back. The ones that might not work with the missing >> 6db on 5.4 you identify ahead of time and do them last. >> >> This is theoretical right now, but it's happening here in a month or so. >> >> >> >> --- [ "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com><mailto:af...@kwisp.com> wrote ]: >> ----------------------------------- >> >> >> You’re probably right about me. Honestly, my FSK is still all on >> 10.5, and my 430 is still on 11.2. I’d like some of the improvements >> to the GUI, but honestly, at some point you wonder if it’s worth the >> trouble and mini outages to do the firmware upgrades on legacy stuff. >> >> I guess from an operations standpoint though, especially if you >> automate things, it helps if everything works the same. And I will >> probably upgrade the old stuff, if only to avoid scrolling through a >> mile long sessions list. >> >> The argument for continuing to roll human and machine interface >> improvements into PMP100 is that’s what keeps WISPs buying Cambium, >> they can train their people and write their software and have it work >> the same across the product line. But evidently that logic was lost >> on the team that developed ePMP. >> >> If the sales strategy is to convince WISPs to convert PMP100 to ePMP, >> it will be interesting to hear what the recommended way is to do >> that. I am going to be very surprised to see an ePMP compatible >> framing mode put into PMP100, that’s surely not a minor change, but >> without that, are the only 2 ways to upgrade a tower from PMP100 to >> ePMP either find some spare spectrum, or do a 1-day forklift of all >> the subs? A PMP100 to PMP450 forklift can be pretty easy (except on >> the pocketbook) if you already have reflector dishes, we’ve found you >> don’t even have to realign the dishes. But replacing a reflector >> dish with a Force100 will probably take a little longer. Maybe not >> that much. The worst would be if you can’t have both sets of APs on >> the tower at the same time and literally have to take down every sub >> on the tower until you get an installer with a new radio out to them. >> >> >> From: That One Guy via Af<mailto:af@afmug.com> >> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 2:50 PM >> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium >> >> --- [ That One Guy >> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com><mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote ]: >> ----------------------------------- >> >> ________________________________ >> I really wish that cambium was more forthright, I understand playing >> your cards close to your chest. we knew with 320 it was a dead duck, >> but Cambium (sales staff in particular) would never put out a clear >> answer on its demise. >> >> We all wear big boy pants around here, except ken, he wears biker >> shorts. We can handle the truth and would much prefer to plan >> accordingly. >> >> Im oretty sure that since 100 wont be getting .2 that gives us our >> answer, but it would be nice to have it formalized, Cambiums like a >> cheating wife, you know what shes doing, you know whats going to >> happen when you have evidence, but until you hear it from her mouth, >> you keep on painting the kitchen and mowing the lawn. Cambium, can we >> stop painting and let the grass grow? >> >> On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 2:41 PM, Aaron Schneider via Af >> <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote: >> --- [ Aaron Schneider >> <aaron.schnei...@cambiumnetworks.com<mailto:aaron.schnei...@cambiumnetworks.com>> >> >> >> wrote ]: >> ----------------------------------- >> Hmm, this is odd - yours and Sean's messages came in as an attachment >> to an empty message... >> >> Anyways, yes, we are well aware that FSK is never going away, we've >> been the ones keeping it going for this long! We took a break from >> releasing FSK version from 11.2 to 12.1 and the next refresh release >> from that was 13.1.  I don't think there has been any full decision >> on the fate of future FSK releases but we are concentrating 13.2 and >> 13.3 on the 430/450 products and will see then.  I'll see if we >> can get a point release with the couple of minor (meaning to fix, not >> meaning "minor impact") items such as missing the None frequency. >> >> George you need to talk your boss into letting you go to Vegas. >> Imagine the discussions you can have once you get some libations in >> you and go on tilt at the blackjack table. :) >> >> -Aaron >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Af >> [mailto:af-bounces+aaron.schneider<mailto:af-bounces%2Baaron.schneider>=cambiumnetworks....@afmug.com<mailto:cambiumnetworks....@afmug.com>] >> >> >> On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af >> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 1:06 PM >> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium >> >> --- [ "George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)" >> <geo...@cbcast.com<mailto:geo...@cbcast.com>> wrote ]: >> ----------------------------------- >> >> >> >> -- >> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that >> the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, >> if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all >> means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 >> >> >> > > >
