We are moving toward strongly suggesting customers not use the house wiring. Seen way too many issues with poor house wiring causing problems or with damaged ATAs after lightning strikes.
Our experience, many houses have hacked up phone wiring that somehow works OK for landline service but the ATAs don't tolerate it. Makes for a difficult conversation explaining to customer who wired up their house with radioshack phone cords and splitters, laying on ground in the wet crawlspace, why their new VOIP service isn't reliable. On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Jeremy via Af <af@afmug.com> wrote: > I install every VoIP customer for no additional charge. I know the port > date before it happens so I always schedule the install for that day, and > let them know when we begin the process that they may be without for a few > hours on the day that the porting completes. Most VoIP installs are > simple, like two minutes. Occasionally we run into the nightmare > installs. I ask them and if they just use one expandable cordless set I > don't touch the wiring. Otherwise we do the whole home install. I'd say > the majority are whole home installs. We try to make sure that we bring > the wire into the hub whenever possible, or near a phone jack. That way if > they decide that they want VoIP down the road it is an easy install. I > always consider the potential VoIP install when doing the wireless install. > > On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 10:44 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af <af@afmug.com> wrote: > >> I will only rely on the customer to install the ATA if they are going to >> plug a cordless base into it, no house wiring. Otherwise, they will forget >> to disconnect the POTS line at the NID. >> >> Most people have a cordless phone system, but they may also have an old >> princess phone somewhere in the house, first try to convince them to ditch >> the corded phones and not use the house wiring. Failing that, have your >> installer tell them the router and ATA have to go near a phone jack. >> >> If they insist on putting the ATA in a room with no phone jack and still >> using the house wiring to reach corded phones, the professional way is >> probably to install a surface mount jack and wire it like a phone guy >> would, and charge them labor & materials. >> >> If they have an old 900/2.4/5.8 cordless phone, you probably want them to >> replace it with a new DECT system anyway, you can get systems with a whole >> bunch of cordless handsets for not much money. >> >> Perhaps people can be convinced by comparing to WiFi. It used to be >> people would run Ethernet to every room to plug in their computers, no one >> does this anymore, they want all their devices to be portable and use >> WiFi. Same with phones, if you pick up the phone, you want to be able to >> move to another room or even outside and take the phone with you. >> >> If they really cannot go cordless or have the Internet installed to a >> room with a phone jack, then charge them for installing a phone jack. It >> does mean a few more parts an installer needs to carry. If you don't want >> to carry RJ11 keystone jacks and surface mount boxes, there are cheap boxes >> with screw terminals or I like the ones with 110 punchdown terminals. And >> you definitely need red and yellow Scotchloks, those are what kill me, no >> matter how many I buy, I can't find where I put them, so I end up buying >> more. I must have thousands of Scothloks squirreled away by now, I think >> they go to the land of missing socks. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Nate Burke via Af >> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 11:28 AM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: [AFMUG] Physically Hooking up Voip Lines >> >> >> I'm interested in how people are doing physical Residential VoIP >> Installs. Do you just provide the ATA and let the customer figure it >> out, or do you physically hook it into the house wiring for them? We're >> doing more and more, and it seems like it takes almost as much time to >> do the Wireless install as it does to install the ATA. By the time you >> track down the house wires, disconnect them from the PSTN, run a wire >> from the ATA to where you can tie into the house wiring (not always >> close by), and then wire the ATA in. The one's we're converting all >> seem to have several corded phones they still want to use. >> >> Also, how do you cover the crossover time between installation and >> Number port. Business customer are one thing, I have them setup the >> call forwarding feature at the ILEC, and forward calls to a temporary >> DID until the port happens. But trying to get an older person to call >> the ILEC and understand what they need to ask for (and not get sucked >> into a new contract) is much more difficult. >> >> I'm not sure how Vonage does it, do they walk people through tracing >> down cables over the phone? Or once the number port happens, they >> presume the ILEC port is dead, so then they just have the customer plug >> it in to any wall jack? >> >> Nate >> >> >
