I would think Jab qualifies as "one of those larger companies" that Ken referenced. Speaking from running a small company, those other metrics make a lot of sense.
* would the company fall apart without having you there? * could we hire someone to replace you in a few weeks? (recently happened) I think in our company other factors come into play too - how long would it take us to find someone else to replace you and get them up to speed? The financials come into play in our company too. It's a well balanced circus act. ----- Original Message ----- From: That One Guy via Af To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 10:30 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] valuing a pay increase Yeah, Jab starts their phone techs at more than I make, but Im one of those people that wont quit. Im pretty critical, but my employer is one that will just let things fail and deal with the aftermath. Ive worked for the organization for 10 years and this company for 5. Ive missed one deadline, the first in my life, and that was when my dads family shop burned down and I had to take some time off to dig through the rubble. They wouldnt find a person to replace me directly, the routing/transit management would go to a 3rd party consultant/contractor, they would rely on Powercode directly to manage that and the associated hardware, They would contract our partner company to manage the infrastructure builds, he would move from the inexpensive UBNT type hardware on the backhaul network to licensed "set and forget" links, specced out by vendors installed by contractors. The backend systems like our DNS, internal messaging sytems, backup/archiving, etc would either fail or be redesigned by a consultant and maintained under a contract. The contract support side stuff like the windows server contracts he would pick up the slack on for a bit and hand off any excess to our current 3rd party consultant we use for big project assistance. All the extra stuff like surveillance/dvr systems would go to the techs limited by their capacity. Incidentals that pop up periodically like the FCC crap and ARIN interaction would all be handled by the respective agency we deal with support staff. Day to day maintenance would get neglected for the most part, then dealt with in disaster mode by the associated vendor support avenues. New product would be handles by the salesguys from the vendors. So realistically, I am very replaceable, with a pretty big upfront fee, but probably in the long run the recurring cost would be less and an inbound guy to fill my role would really only need to know which numbers to call. So it could even be hes realized this and 8 cents is meant to be an insult. In this industry in this economy, what kind of pay increases should a guy deem fair? a penny more is a penny more On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 10:05 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af <af@afmug.com> wrote: How valueable of an employee are you? Could you leave tomorrow and he wouldn't notice a difference, or would all hell break lose? Would it take long to find somebody worth their salt to replace you. Can you quantify and list your achievements over the past 2.5 years? Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/02/2014 06:49 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote: im curious from the small business owner, which I assume most of you owners on the list consider yourselves, how do you value a pay increase? (assume its an employee that is worth their salt) Do you try to just keep it where the employee has the same spending power, ie just cost of living to match inflation, percentage based, profit based, set value? In discussions with the boss about future he mentioned a number, for shits and giggles I compared what my last raise is worth today. I havent had a raise in 2.5 years, and based on the government calculators what I make now was worth 80 cents more 2.5 years ago than it is now. The number he said was a dollar, which under normal curcumstances to po folk like me isnt a small raise. but when I looked at the numbers, that dollar only puts me 20 cents up on where I was 2.5 years ago, that 8 cents a year in increased purchasing power. That kind of boils down to an insult. Or is that the wrong way to look at the value of the potential pay increase? I have never believed in asking an employer for a raise, my thoughts have always been that an employer thats a good employer will pay you what they think your worth to them, apparently im worth 8 cents -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925