I find it makes much more sense in enabling a small business to latch onto software it couldn’t otherwise afford. My issue is in large organizations. It’s purely a money grab, attempting to extort as much cash from the client as possible, especially painful when someone is trying to sucker you for $50k + per year on software that used to cost $70k one time, + 10% maintenance yearly. In a large organization with an established data center with proper DR strategy, it’s an insult to the investment made in equipment and people. Especially in healthcare, the more of my data that lives in someone’s random cloud, likely Amazon, the larger the risk to my data! We need “boxed” software (remember when software came in boxes, lol!) that we can deploy, and then upgrade it as part of the upgrade cycle.
/rant From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie via Af Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 10:20 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] SM Isolation question SaaS makes sense for some applications, but a lot of what I'm seeing it applied to is just a money grab. Some things are just set up and go, I don't need updates or support, so long as the software does what I bought it to do. A great example of this is a point of sale system I'm installing. Nearly every company wanted an upfront fee plus anywhere from $40-$60 / terminal / month. I found software that allows multiple terminals for $1k (no monthly recurring). This will pay for itself in probably 6 months. On Thursday, October 16, 2014, Travis Johnson via Af <af@afmug.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');>> wrote: How do you figure? Everything will eventually be SaaS... and it's a much better model for both sides. The software stays updated and current and bug fixes are instant. The initial cost to start with the software is usually 1/10th what it would be to buy, and it allows people to use the software from anywhere. Many years ago, I was of the same opinion. Then I started to realize my time (or anyone else's time) was better spent focusing on the product we sold rather than installing/fixing/supporting someone else's software. I know I personally spent at least 50+ hours over the previous 15 years installing/fixing/supporting Quickbooks on our LAN. Getting it installed on a server, setting up the shares, mapping drive letters, installing it on each PC, etc. The software cost us $500 to buy, and then the yearly updates were usually $200-$300. Or you can subscribe to the online version for $39/month and be done with it. It's automatically backed up, you don't have to host it on your own server, or worry about upgrade issues or users with problems, etc. Time is money. Spend your time doing what you know how to do, and hire someone else to do the other tasks. :) Travis On 10/15/2014 9:31 PM, Tyler Treat via Af wrote: True story. ___________________________ Mangled by my iPhone. ___________________________ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com> ___________________________ On Oct 15, 2014, at 10:30 PM, Jason McKemie via Af <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote: Yeah, SaaS is great for the company that owns it, not so great for everyone else. On Wednesday, October 15, 2014, Travis Johnson via Af <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote: Nope... mainly SaaS companies and real estate. Best of both worlds. :) Travis On 10/15/2014 3:40 PM, Gino Villarini via Af wrote: Someone told me you were getting into manufacturing�� Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com> @aeronetpr On 10/15/14, 5:31 PM, "Travis Johnson via Af" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote: It just depends on the day... :) Involved in 11 companies now, and looking at a 12th. Always stuff going on. LOL Travis On 10/15/2014 3:16 PM, Gino Villarini via Af wrote: Travis, are you getting bored at your current job? Lol!! Great to see you active in the list! Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com> @aeronetpr On 10/15/14, 4:14 PM, "Travis Johnson via Af" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote: The other issue is p2p traffic between two people on the same AP.... and if you are doing bandwidth shaping in your router, even at the tower, you will never see these packets. Or in the case the original poster asked about, that customer could keep a high-def window open of all their video cameras at the other location, using 3-4Mbps of constant traffic, and you would never see it. Travis On 10/15/2014 1:48 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote: When you forward SM-to-SM traffic upstream, there's nothing the router can do about it. Put the two locations on different IP subnets so that traffic between the two has to be routed. Or turn off SM isolation. I leave SM isolation off because I'm not that paranoid. The biggest risk is broadcast/multicast crap flying around. So use the SM uplink broadcast/multicast rate limiting. This is one of the best features of Canopy, IMO. On 10/15/2014 2:23 PM, Christopher Tyler via Af wrote: We have a customer that has two SM's on the same AP at separate physical locations (home and office). The have a DVR at each location that they want to view. Everything is configured properly on their end to view the DVR's on port 80 through their routers. Problem is that we have SM isolation turned on with option 2 to forward packets upstream and they want to see the home when at the office and the office when at home. So I set up a mangle rule in my Mikortik to mark the packets with a routing mark based on the SRC and DST addresses, and then used a static route for anything what that mark and send it back to the AP port. It doesn't work, what am I doing wrong, any suggestions short of disabling SM isolation?
