Heeeyyyy, in 2005 we had a very redundant successful layer 2 network. I think mainly because the radios had finally implemented filtering and storm control at the consumer side.
We have about 100 new protocols now it seems like, but basic networking is still the same since then. That could use a major simplification and overhaul as well. I wish the FCC would rework the lower frequency spectrum like white spaces and open up huge chunks of it. That would single handedly turn the wireless WISP industry into a very competitive powerhouse. It’s not like it doesn’t exist. There is no way all that spectrum is being constantly used all over the US all the time. I get the feeling most of it is unused most of the time. Has anyone ever done a semi-comprehensive study of actual raw spectrum noise/usage across significant bands in major dense areas? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 11:17 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Holy Grail Big flat network... instant worm propagation... ahh yes, the good old days... From: Ken Hohhof via Af<mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 10:48 AM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Holy Grail That is like saying the car I drive today isn’t much faster than my first car in 1969. There is no comparison though when you look at all the incremental improvements. Hey, that 1969 Camaro had an AM radio and a heater! If you think the Internet service you offer today is not much different than 2005, just a little faster, you need to travel back in time and visit your 2005 WISP and see all the differences between then and now. I look at the sub-ms backhauls and redundant rings and 24x7 reliability and monitoring and quick restoration people expect today because their lives revolve around connectivity and cloud apps, and it’s a world of difference. The only thing that has stayed the same is the price we get away with charging, in fact that has not even kept pace with inflation. From: Travis Johnson via Af<mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 11:22 AM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Holy Grail I agree that the only thing that has changed is speed... but what do you expect? The PC hasn't changed much in 30 years... just faster... it still does the same thing it did 30 years ago, just faster. Travis On 10/24/2014 11:22 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote: Sterling, thank you! I think you and me must be the only ones who can see the elephant...... OH LOOKY LOOKY AC PTMP!! On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 9:09 PM, Sterling Jacobson via Af <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote: Is it just me, or is no one realizing that we are still not that far from 2005 with wireless. Yes, we have 300-1Gbps capable radios. But they trade that for larger channel allocations and even more signal to noise requirements. But the spectrum allocations haven’t changed enough to use these new features to their fullest in a radio dense environment. When doing cost analysis in my area last year for wireless I realized I had to forklift upgrade most of my network, and build towers out in a half mile range. This was to get the 30Mbps plan rates to really work. The costs were skyrocketing because of all the towers and sectors. I think the real winners of late are still the rural and low density wireless provider domains. They are the ones with clean enough spectrum to cost this competitively. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza via Af Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 6:41 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Holy Grail Bring out the Holy Grenade of Antioch... Jaime Solorza On Oct 24, 2014 5:56 PM, "Jayson Baker via Af" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote: Anyone else get this email? Anyone know what it is? -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
