<sarcastic comment on how that would require an "air" device to have a working NMS/controller>
On Wednesday, November 5, 2014, Bill Prince via Af <af@afmug.com> wrote: > If it is made by UBNT, then it would be the AirMeter. > > bp > > On 11/5/2014 1:43 PM, Caleb Knauer via Af wrote: > >> Hmmm, Chuck M is showing a lot of interest in smart meters. I'm >> calling it right now: UniMeter. Cloud-based 900Mhz meshed smart >> meters. I'll license you the use of that name for a nominal fee. >> >> On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 2:46 PM, Chuck Macenski via Af <af@afmug.com> >> wrote: >> >>> In fact...the smart grid can help eliminate rolling brownouts/blackouts >>> by >>> carefully managing the power delivered to customers on the end of the >>> lines >>> by controlling the delivered voltage. Basically, these meters give power >>> companies the ability to measure the voltage delivered to meet the >>> minimum >>> requirements at the end of each feed... Substation transformers can then >>> be >>> set to deliver lower voltage (= lower power usage) thus avoiding >>> brownouts...of course, load control (turning off your A/C) doesn't hurt >>> either. >>> >>> Pre-smart grid, the main way the power company knew about lines going >>> down >>> (storms, trees, etc) was when they got a phone call. These meters will >>> tell >>> them where they have issues so they can route around much much much >>> faster; >>> other parts of the smart grid can allow power to be rerouted from a >>> control >>> panel rather than a power company truck and a guy with an insulated stick >>> throwing a switch in the rain. >>> >>> It is a fascinating topic... >>> >>> Chuck >>> >>> On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 11:48 AM, That One Guy via Af <af@afmug.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> The smartgrid does have the benefit off allowing essential services to >>>> stay up in the event of rolling black/brownouts >>>> >>>> I watched a PBS show about the power situation over in India or one of >>>> those places, its crazy, people steal power left and right just tying >>>> onto >>>> the wires. The transformers are always catching fire and people dump >>>> water >>>> on them. As much as I hate US power companies, I cant imagine living >>>> over >>>> there. Linemen get beat up alot >>>> >>>> You could tell the show was geared at it being a humanitarian issue, >>>> these >>>> poor people losing their power... how will they survive, but the >>>> majority of >>>> the background images were of people powering consumer electronics... >>>> not a >>>> justifiable theft IMHO... I did not know TV was a basic human right >>>> >>>> On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Chuck Macenski via Af <af@afmug.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Smart meters certainly can shut you off remotely. That is a huge safety >>>>> benefit to the power companies - it turns out that turning the power >>>>> off to >>>>> a customer that has not paid their bill is not always a pleasant >>>>> experience. >>>>> >>>>> Chuck >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af <af@afmug.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> From ComEd smartmeter FAQ: >>>>>> >>>>>> "Smart meters for residential customers will have remote switching >>>>>> capabilities that can be used when a customer closes an account, then >>>>>> reconnects when the customer starts a new account." >>>>>> >>>>>> "One of the benefits of this remote switching capability is that ComEd >>>>>> can provide electrical service to customers more quickly, after the >>>>>> customer >>>>>> has contacted ComEd to initiate service. ComEd can also expedite the >>>>>> transfer of electrical service when a customer moves from one >>>>>> location to >>>>>> another within the ComEd service territory." >>>>>> >>>>>> I see a post on the Mike Holt electrician forum about whether calling >>>>>> the electric company and having them remotely shut off the power >>>>>> makes it >>>>>> safe to work on, as opposed to pulling the meter. (hell no) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Bill Prince via Af >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 11:06 AM >>>>>> >>>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses >>>>>> >>>>>> Well, maybe some of them. I don't think the ones around here have >>>>>> that >>>>>> capability. Wouldn't they have to have some large contactors and a >>>>>> relay? I think that alone occupies a lot more space than the >>>>>> smartmeters occupy. >>>>>> >>>>>> For now I think they are mostly big brother watching. >>>>>> >>>>>> bp >>>>>> >>>>>> On 11/5/2014 8:50 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> What do you think a smartmeter is? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I compare it to cable. With analog cable, they had to send a guy in >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> truck to shut off your service, but with digital cable a computer >>>>>>> can do it >>>>>>> any time. I assume smartmeters have a remote shutoff capability. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Caleb Knauer via Af >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 10:38 AM >>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses >>>>>>> >>>>>>> One day the circuit breakers will all be connected and automated and >>>>>>> we'll all be doooooooooommmmmdddd! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 9:34 AM, Chuck McCown via Af <af@afmug.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> circuit breaker... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From: Ken Hohhof via Af >>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 5:15 PM >>>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Have you unplugged your fridge lately? You have to roll it out. >>>>>>>> That >>>>>>>> involves taking off the grill at the bottom and figuring out what >>>>>>>> kind >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> wrench you need to crank up the leveling screws. Then your wife >>>>>>>> makes >>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>> pick up the dead mice and pet turtles and get out the vacuum and >>>>>>>> sweep >>>>>>>> up >>>>>>>> all the dog hair and dried up vegetables that are back there. Then >>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>> climb back there and unplug it, count one Mississippi two >>>>>>>> Mississippi, >>>>>>>> plug >>>>>>>> it back in, climb back out, roll the fridge back, re-level it, and >>>>>>>> put >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> grill back on. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From: Bill Prince via Af >>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 4:18 PM >>>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Unplug it/plug it back in is cheaper than putting in an on/off >>>>>>>> switch >>>>>>>> (or >>>>>>>> re-init switch). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> bp >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 11/4/2014 1:46 PM, Adam Moffett via Af wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'd be happy to share in that job. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My big beef with our brave new world is that you have to reboot >>>>>>>> everything. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Microwave display is screwed up....unplug it and plug it back in. >>>>>>>> Washing machine digital display is not responding.....unplug it and >>>>>>>> plug it >>>>>>>> back in. >>>>>>>> DVD Player frozen.....unplug it and plug it back in. >>>>>>>> Dodge Intrepid won't shift gears......turn it off and turn it back >>>>>>>> on. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> These are all true stories. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The internet of things will be a network of crap that doesn't work >>>>>>>> unless >>>>>>>> you reboot it regularly. When they are up, the "things" will all be >>>>>>>> participating in a botnet. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> finally someone took over Doug's job of letting us all know the sky >>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>> falling!?!? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> hip hip hooray...long live Ken the prognosticator! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Bill Prince via Af <af@afmug.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The apocalypse is coming!!!!! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> bp >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 11/4/2014 11:58 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Soon, when your Internet goes out, you won’t even be able to open >>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>> garage door or flush your toilet, because it will all be in the >>>>>>>>> cloud. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And as ISPs, we’ll be getting angry calls like “Is the tower >>>>>>>>> down? I >>>>>>>>> can’t flush my toilet.” >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You think I’m joking? Remember the thread about LED bulbs >>>>>>>>> interfering >>>>>>>>> with garage door openers? One of the suggested fixes is a garage >>>>>>>>> door >>>>>>>>> opener app on your smartphone. I assume that only works if your >>>>>>>>> smarthouse >>>>>>>>> has working Internet. Our hives will cease to operate if you cut >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> connection to the collective. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I’m imagining that something goes wrong with the cloud controller, >>>>>>>>> and now >>>>>>>>> I can’t even use WiFi within my house, like printing to my wireless >>>>>>>>> printer >>>>>>>>> or using Chromecast to my TV. Yes, I know, Unifi should continue >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> operate >>>>>>>>> without the controller once set up, but do some features stop >>>>>>>>> working? Like >>>>>>>>> handoff between APs? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> From: Josh Baird via Af >>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 1:47 PM >>>>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You can host them all on a single controller in your datacenter. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Nov 4, 2014, at 2:24 PM, TJ Trout via Af <af@afmug.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Can't stand unifi, have them came up with a way to do it without a >>>>>>>>> controller? What do you do if the customer doesn't have a windows >>>>>>>>> machine? >>>>>>>>> Install a unifi "server" ? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 11:20 AM, Sean Heskett via Af <af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> UBNT UniFi...one SSID >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 12:19 PM, TJ Trout via Af <af@afmug.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> What are you guys doing to cover large homes with good wifi >>>>>>>>>>> coverage? >>>>>>>>>>> Any options besides multiple routers with multiple ssid's? Does >>>>>>>>>>> rukus or >>>>>>>>>>> someone make something with true roaming? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the >>>> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you >>>> can't >>>> get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not >>>> use a >>>> hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 >>>> >>> >>> >
