Not enough steps on your fitbit over the weekend Johnson. You're fired.
On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 12:48 PM, Ryan Ray <ryan...@gmail.com> wrote: > Any employer trying to mandate a person's personal off-time is not > somewhere you want to work anyways. > > No beef jerky at my company. We will be doing daily shit tests to confirm > and fire the violators. > > > > On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 12:46 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@spitwspots.com> > wrote: > >> I guess you are free to not work for them :P >> >> -- >> Josh Reynolds >> CIO, SPITwSPOTSwww.spitwspots.com >> >> On 03/11/2015 11:45 AM, Ryan Ray wrote: >> >> So where do you draw the line? Eat a cheeseburger for lunch, get >> suspended. Go skydiving, well you're risking our insurance you're fired. >> Too old? Fired. >> >> What happened to America, land of the free? >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 12:11 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >> >>> The tobacco issue is not a-personal-off-hours recreational thing for >>> me. If you want health insurance, no tobacco. Not saying you will get >>> fired for using tobacco. >>> >>> We were self insured. We did not want to have to pay for health issues >>> caused by smoking tobacco. Cannot legally mandate BMI (yet) or other >>> unhealthy things but you can pick on the smokers. It was not an employment >>> issue, it was an insurance issue. >>> >>> Drug use is an employment issue. But recreational alcohol use is a >>> personal rights thing as far as I am concerned. Tobacco is too but I can >>> point to many more smoking caused lung cancer deaths among family and >>> friends than I can alcoholism related deaths. Pot is somewhere in >>> between. Pot smokers probably don’t suck down 5 packs equivalent a day... >>> Not sure how much pot it takes to cause the same amount of lung cancer in a >>> population as tobacco does. >>> >>> Kinda a mess trying to keep from regulating peoples lives balanced with >>> protecting the business and your pocketbook. What is a drug? Alcohol >>> certainly could be considered a drug... Why can you use alcohol and not >>> pot or anything else. Dang, I should have taken that minor in philosophy... >>> >>> *From:* That One Guy <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2015 1:03 PM >>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Random drug Testing for employee/Installer ? >>> >>> he will also get a dui conviction in many states. >>> There are people who have been terminated for failing drug screens when >>> visiting other countries where the laws are different. >>> It will be a simple matter in locales where its still illegal, just as >>> it is with that. >>> >>> But like chucks no nicotine policy, which is great, the employer should >>> always be able to mandate the staff they have. >>> >>> The whole pot battle is a joke, framing it as medicine, there are very >>> few proven conditions where it is any more beneficial than controlled >>> substances already available on the market. Call it what it is, seeking the >>> end of prohibition of a recreational drug. (rant) >>> >>> We have the top scientists and researchers at our disposal. As it >>> progresses to a more likely state in the near future of pure legalization, >>> they will find a method for testing for intoxication similar to BAC with >>> the booze. >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 1:32 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@spitwspots.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> This is going to get interest over the next couple of years when it >>>> comes to marijuana. >>>> >>>> Many places are looking to legalize for recreational use. >>>> >>>> The problem is testing and liability. Lots of systems will have to >>>> change. >>>> >>>> For instance, there is currently no good known method to tell if >>>> someone is under the influence of marijuana other than a field sobriety >>>> test, and even those can be argued in court (if my understanding of this is >>>> correct, I just talked to a local detective yesterday while getting >>>> fingerprinted for a state security clearance). >>>> >>>> Billy Bob comes into work in Anchorage, AK or Denver, CO. Goes through >>>> his day, everything is fine. He sits in is van at a stop light waiting for >>>> the light to turn green, and BAM... rear end collision from some a-hole >>>> behind him. Many company policies will force him to go get drug tested. He >>>> fails the test for marijuana, yet it is legal in the state and there was no >>>> way to tell if he was under the influence at the time of the incident. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Josh Reynolds >>>> CIO, SPITwSPOTSwww.spitwspots.com >>>> >>>> On 03/11/2015 09:47 AM, Tushar Patel wrote: >>>> >>>> Ok, will look for local company. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Tushar >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On >>>> Behalf Of *Chuck McCown >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2015 11:37 AM >>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Random drug Testing for employee/Installer ? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> If you are asking about the mechanics of having the testing done, you >>>> hire a local company that specializes in the whole thing. They choose who >>>> needs to come in and they do the tests. All you have to do is to tell the >>>> employee when and were to report. And yeah, there is clean pee out on the >>>> market that even comes with its own little heater packet to get it up to >>>> body temp. I had no idea until we found some on our company vehicles. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I also didn’t know until just now that hair sample testing was >>>> available. Be good to tell them all you do hair sample testing even if you >>>> don’t. I do regret firing one kid that took a hit off of a joint at his >>>> birthday party. I really don’t think he was a druggie but I wrote the >>>> manual, I made the policy, and I let him go when he pissed dirty. So think >>>> this through carefully before you pull the trigger. If I had to do it >>>> again, I would make an exception for pot. (Not tobacco though...) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Tushar Patel <tpa...@ecpi.com> >>>> >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2015 10:01 AM >>>> >>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>> >>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Random drug Testing for employee/Installer ? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> How do one go about implementing random drug testing for >>>> installer/employee? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> How many people do this? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Tushar >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your >>> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >>> >> >> >> >
