Not only that, folks not from this market will find this content when
googling the product. I would never buy anything from anyone that acted
like he did. His rant will never go away.
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Stewart
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 11:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
So this guy doesn't realize that by complaining about a customer base he
clearly doesn't want, that he effects the opinion of folks who already own
his product or might be looking at his product?
Given his public "bitching" about a certain market share that he clearly
doesn't understand anything about, I will not be providing him *anymore*
business - that's for sure! Why would I want to associate myself with an
immature, unprofessional, "little kid" ?
-p
-----Original Message-----
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Observium Connoisseur
Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2015 1:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
He's making more friends over at the UBNT forum. Its an EPIC meltdown. The
guy has just literally lost his marbles.
https://community.ubnt.com/t5/The-Lounge/AFMUG-What-Adam-Armstrong-of-Observium-thinks-of-WISPS/td-p/1219320/page/3
Looks like some of it may have been taken down. But here's a nice entry post
by Adam. I guess we are irrelevant...
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"Let me put this another way.
You guys wanted something from me, but you didn't get it. The ensuing
toys-from-pram tantrum has really done nothing to negatively effect me, but
it has pretty much ensured that Observium, as an organisation, has lost all
interest in catering to your requirements.
It doesn't matter to us financially, you guys are probably less than 1% of
our user base. You're statistically irrelevant. We actually had the best
sales day today that we've had in the past 30 days.
At the end of the day, acting like petulent pre-schoolers and deciding to
inflict the stone-age horrors of Cacti or LibreNMS on yourselves because you
don't like me, well, that just makes me happy, since it hurts you to a level
of which I would be incable whilst having no negative effects on those
WISPs.
Also, this thread is so ram-packed with factual inaccuracies and basic
failures at comprehending words that I'm not at all surprised that this
nonsense happened.
Have fun cutting off your nose to spite your face!"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Glen Waldrop" <gwl...@cngwireless.net>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2015 3:19:25 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
He's going to be making friends all over with stuff like this...
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:20:31] the wireless industry seems
to be rammed full of overly entitled douches
----- Original Message -----
From: That One Guy /sarcasm
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2015 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
I like this observium guy
On Apr 4, 2015 5:53 PM, "Jon Auer" <j...@tapodi.net> wrote:
Until I see evidence to the contrary (just did a svn up and no wisp gear
has been removed...) I'm treating that entire exchange as the internet
equivalent of some drunk (Smeg) walking up to you(Adam) in the bar and
grabbing your arm and saying have your wife dance with me. You're like,
that's her choice and she says no. Repeating as the night goes on.
Eventually maybe you snap, say some unkind things because you want the drunk
to get lost and he just isn't taking the hint.
That wasn't the first IRC exchange between them and others. Adam's
volatility is well known but in this case I believe he was sorely provoked.
We've all experienced the client from hell. Thing is, maybe some of us
are the client from hell.
What happened in IRC after may help understand where he is coming
from...
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <BenA> [09:18:33] While I completely
understand that you're the author and shit, and what you say goes. period...
wasn't that a bit of an overreaction?
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:18:56] BenA: you have no fucking
idea
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <BenA> [09:19:05] I don't, it's true.
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:06] these people will not
take no for an answer
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:07] they go on
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:08] and on
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:09] and on
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:10] and on
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <BenA> [09:19:20] Couldn't you just, like,
look away from the screen?
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:23] BUT MUH SUPPORT, MILLIONS
OF USERS, PLZ
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:32] couldn't you?
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <BenA> [09:19:38] Ask him if he wants to pay.
if he doesn't, ignore?
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:46] oh, they all say they
want to pay
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <BenA> [09:19:49] Ah.
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:20:10] but when they realise it
costs more than $5...
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <BenA> [09:20:15] Right.
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:20:31] the wireless industry
seems to be rammed full of overly entitled douches
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:20:48] whot hink it's totally
justified that we support evey bit of shitty kit they have
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:20:51] fucking wireless vendors
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:21:00] every new MODEL they
release has to come with an entirely new set of mibs
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:21:04] it's ridiculous
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <BenA> [09:21:11] You're a victim of your own
success.
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:21:23] and none of these people
will ever listen when you tell them
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:21:32] adn they just keep coming
back and coming back
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:21:35] he's asked here a few
times
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:21:40] and we've had these
conversations on the mailing list
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:21:44] and god knows what else
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:22:02] and you'd think
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:22:03] when someone says
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:22:07] "fuck off, it's not going
to happen"
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:22:13] you'd realise that was,
well, that
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <BenA> [09:22:53] I guess he really sees the
advantages of Observium, and is keen for you to have further market
penetration... over your express wishes (-:
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:23:06] no, he's keen to have his
own pet hardware supported
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <BenA> [09:23:12] That too.
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:23:21] we already support 4
different families of cambium kit
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:23:28] but apparently that
doesn't include the devices he has
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:23:44] and i'm sure if i
checked, we'd only have like 2-3 users using cambium kit
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <BenA> [09:24:52] You could spend a few dozen
man months of eye-straining, back-breaking labour adding in some kind of
horribly complex and fucked up extensible API for 3rd party MIBs, and then
telling people they can add whatever the fuck support/devices they like, but
there's no support for it.
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:25:06] or not
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <BenA> [09:25:14] Party-pooper.
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <BenA> [09:25:39] And people said you were a
nice guy.
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:25:46] rarely
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:25:55] and even more rarely in
here \o/
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:26:49] we have 3 cambium ptp400
devices and 5 cambium ptp800 devices
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:27:00] in our entire userbase
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:27:24] 1086 cambium canopy
devices
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:27:31] but, ofc, he said they
weren't important and not to bother with them
On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 7:46 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
I had got the impression that he didn't even want user contributions.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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From: "Jon Auer" <j...@tapodi.net>
To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2015 2:59:53 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
It's more than just OIDs, adding device support involves a fair amount
of fiddly little things. Finding/cropping icon, regex to match the OS/device
type to handle it correctly, logic to handle the device-specific things,
logic to work around whatever they broke in the MIB (remember when Cambium
returned strings instead of ints for some counters?). Then more testing.
That's what makes Observium more useful out of the box than something
like Cacti where you're adding OIDs onesey twosey to device templates.
I think a big part of his reaction is, if you watch IRC, for the past
few months to years there have been people asking for WISP features and
pretty much nobody in a place to write code to do it. My guess is he is time
constrained and would rather work on other things (hence non-responsiveness
to offers of money) combined with not wanting to deal with what could be
perceived as self-entitled communication from some users.
The hostile reaction to WISP gear:
CMMMicro is a switch that doesn't even use the switch MIB -> Work done
to support WISP devices doesn't pay off in helping support other
Enterprise/Wireline devices.
Cambium is extra special because they version the PMP MIB against OS
rev instead of starting out with a well-designed MIB as spec and fixing OS
to match. The easy way out is to ignore that and use the latest but what
happens when Cambium updates something? Bug reports from users on new OS
complaining that something doesn't work. You update and now there's bug
reports from the users that want to stay on old OS for a while. The hard
way? Handle every OS rev differently/code gardening responsibility? You just
can't win.
<I digress>
So, WISP gear, he doesn't need it and doesn't care. I need it and care
so I write what I need. I may not appreciate the politics of Observium but
I'm being pragmatic. I contributed what little Cambium PMP device support
there is in Observium currently and I have more devices I'd like to see
supported. If the time comes that my contributions are turned away I'll look
for another monitoring solution, not out of spite but because I need to
monitor all the things.
There may come a time when I move to LibreNMS. They seem to have
openness & saying yes down but I want to see how they handle saying no to
extraneous things/feature creep beyond monitoring metrics (e.g. if it were
me, allow/keep rancid integration but just say no to generalized IPAM).
You can't please everyone and who/how they choose to please will be
insightful.
</I digress>
On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 5:06 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net>
wrote:
Do we know why Adam blows up whenever people specify OIDs they want
to track? I've never bothered to figure it out myself. He made it seem like
hte OID was such a small part of everything that needed to be done.
-----
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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From: "Neil Lathwood" <neil.lathw...@gmail.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 1:08:23 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of
WISPS
On 31 March 2015 at 19:04, WaveDirect <li...@wavedirect.org> wrote:
Yeah you should accept at least equipment donations :) Some of us
may have spares we can part with and after you are done sell them to help
buy other products you want to support.
The donation of equipment is a huge ++++. It wouldn't be necessary
to send the kit anywhere just provide snmp access, that way we can see what
data is available and work on adding support.
Thanks,
Neil
