https://www.reddit.com/r/networking/comments/31rbir/goodbye_observium/
Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 7, 2015 1:56 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > And it is pretty good stuff too. > > -----Original Message----- From: Ken Hohhof > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 11:55 AM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS > > In related news, PRTG apparently is now free up to 100 sensors. > > -----Original Message----- From: Paul Stewart > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 12:49 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS > > So this guy doesn't realize that by complaining about a customer base he > clearly doesn't want, that he effects the opinion of folks who already own > his product or might be looking at his product? > > Given his public "bitching" about a certain market share that he clearly > doesn't understand anything about, I will not be providing him *anymore* > business - that's for sure! Why would I want to associate myself with an > immature, unprofessional, "little kid" ? > > -p > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Observium Connoisseur > Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2015 1:43 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS > > He's making more friends over at the UBNT forum. Its an EPIC meltdown. > The > guy has just literally lost his marbles. > > https://community.ubnt.com/t5/The-Lounge/AFMUG-What-Adam- > Armstrong-of-Observium-thinks-of-WISPS/td-p/1219320/page/3 > > Looks like some of it may have been taken down. But here's a nice entry > post > by Adam. I guess we are irrelevant... > > -------------- > "Let me put this another way. > > You guys wanted something from me, but you didn't get it. The ensuing > toys-from-pram tantrum has really done nothing to negatively effect me, but > it has pretty much ensured that Observium, as an organisation, has lost all > interest in catering to your requirements. > > It doesn't matter to us financially, you guys are probably less than 1% of > our user base. You're statistically irrelevant. We actually had the best > sales day today that we've had in the past 30 days. > > At the end of the day, acting like petulent pre-schoolers and deciding to > inflict the stone-age horrors of Cacti or LibreNMS on yourselves because > you > don't like me, well, that just makes me happy, since it hurts you to a > level > of which I would be incable whilst having no negative effects on those > WISPs. > > Also, this thread is so ram-packed with factual inaccuracies and basic > failures at comprehending words that I'm not at all surprised that this > nonsense happened. > > Have fun cutting off your nose to spite your face!" > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Glen Waldrop" <gwl...@cngwireless.net> > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2015 3:19:25 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS > > He's going to be making friends all over with stuff like this... > > > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:20:31] the wireless industry seems > to be rammed full of overly entitled douches > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: That One Guy /sarcasm > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2015 1:24 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS > > > I like this observium guy > > On Apr 4, 2015 5:53 PM, "Jon Auer" <j...@tapodi.net> wrote: > > Until I see evidence to the contrary (just did a svn up and no wisp gear > has been removed...) I'm treating that entire exchange as the internet > equivalent of some drunk (Smeg) walking up to you(Adam) in the bar and > grabbing your arm and saying have your wife dance with me. You're like, > that's her choice and she says no. Repeating as the night goes on. > Eventually maybe you snap, say some unkind things because you want the > drunk > to get lost and he just isn't taking the hint. > > > That wasn't the first IRC exchange between them and others. Adam's > volatility is well known but in this case I believe he was sorely provoked. > We've all experienced the client from hell. Thing is, maybe some of us > are the client from hell. > > > What happened in IRC after may help understand where he is coming > from... > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <BenA> [09:18:33] While I completely > understand that you're the author and shit, and what you say goes. > period... > wasn't that a bit of an overreaction? > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:18:56] BenA: you have no fucking > idea > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <BenA> [09:19:05] I don't, it's true. > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:06] these people will not > take no for an answer > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:07] they go on > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:08] and on > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:09] and on > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:10] and on > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <BenA> [09:19:20] Couldn't you just, like, > look away from the screen? > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:23] BUT MUH SUPPORT, MILLIONS > OF USERS, PLZ > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:32] couldn't you? > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <BenA> [09:19:38] Ask him if he wants to pay. > if he doesn't, ignore? > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:46] oh, they all say they > want to pay > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <BenA> [09:19:49] Ah. > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:20:10] but when they realise it > costs more than $5... > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <BenA> [09:20:15] Right. > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:20:31] the wireless industry > seems to be rammed full of overly entitled douches > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:20:48] whot hink it's totally > justified that we support evey bit of shitty kit they have > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:20:51] fucking wireless vendors > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:21:00] every new MODEL they > release has to come with an entirely new set of mibs > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:21:04] it's ridiculous > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <BenA> [09:21:11] You're a victim of your own > success. > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:21:23] and none of these people > will ever listen when you tell them > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:21:32] adn they just keep coming > back and coming back > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:21:35] he's asked here a few > times > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:21:40] and we've had these > conversations on the mailing list > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:21:44] and god knows what else > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:22:02] and you'd think > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:22:03] when someone says > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:22:07] "fuck off, it's not going > to happen" > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:22:13] you'd realise that was, > well, that > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <BenA> [09:22:53] I guess he really sees the > advantages of Observium, and is keen for you to have further market > penetration... over your express wishes (-: > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:23:06] no, he's keen to have his > own pet hardware supported > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <BenA> [09:23:12] That too. > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:23:21] we already support 4 > different families of cambium kit > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:23:28] but apparently that > doesn't include the devices he has > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:23:44] and i'm sure if i > checked, we'd only have like 2-3 users using cambium kit > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <BenA> [09:24:52] You could spend a few dozen > man months of eye-straining, back-breaking labour adding in some kind of > horribly complex and fucked up extensible API for 3rd party MIBs, and then > telling people they can add whatever the fuck support/devices they like, > but > there's no support for it. > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:25:06] or not > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <BenA> [09:25:14] Party-pooper. > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <BenA> [09:25:39] And people said you were a > nice guy. > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:25:46] rarely > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:25:55] and even more rarely in > here \o/ > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:26:49] we have 3 cambium ptp400 > devices and 5 cambium ptp800 devices > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:27:00] in our entire userbase > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:27:24] 1086 cambium canopy > devices > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:27:31] but, ofc, he said they > weren't important and not to bother with them > > > > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 7:46 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > > I had got the impression that he didn't even want user contributions. > > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From: "Jon Auer" <j...@tapodi.net> > To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com> > Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2015 2:59:53 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS > > > It's more than just OIDs, adding device support involves a fair amount > of fiddly little things. Finding/cropping icon, regex to match the > OS/device > type to handle it correctly, logic to handle the device-specific things, > logic to work around whatever they broke in the MIB (remember when Cambium > returned strings instead of ints for some counters?). Then more testing. > > > That's what makes Observium more useful out of the box than something > like Cacti where you're adding OIDs onesey twosey to device templates. > > > > I think a big part of his reaction is, if you watch IRC, for the past > few months to years there have been people asking for WISP features and > pretty much nobody in a place to write code to do it. My guess is he is > time > constrained and would rather work on other things (hence non-responsiveness > to offers of money) combined with not wanting to deal with what could be > perceived as self-entitled communication from some users. > > > The hostile reaction to WISP gear: > CMMMicro is a switch that doesn't even use the switch MIB -> Work done > to support WISP devices doesn't pay off in helping support other > Enterprise/Wireline devices. > > > Cambium is extra special because they version the PMP MIB against OS > rev instead of starting out with a well-designed MIB as spec and fixing OS > to match. The easy way out is to ignore that and use the latest but what > happens when Cambium updates something? Bug reports from users on new OS > complaining that something doesn't work. You update and now there's bug > reports from the users that want to stay on old OS for a while. The hard > way? Handle every OS rev differently/code gardening responsibility? You > just > can't win. > > > <I digress> > So, WISP gear, he doesn't need it and doesn't care. I need it and care > so I write what I need. I may not appreciate the politics of Observium but > I'm being pragmatic. I contributed what little Cambium PMP device support > there is in Observium currently and I have more devices I'd like to see > supported. If the time comes that my contributions are turned away I'll > look > for another monitoring solution, not out of spite but because I need to > monitor all the things. > > > There may come a time when I move to LibreNMS. They seem to have > openness & saying yes down but I want to see how they handle saying no to > extraneous things/feature creep beyond monitoring metrics (e.g. if it were > me, allow/keep rancid integration but just say no to generalized IPAM). > You can't please everyone and who/how they choose to please will be > insightful. > </I digress> > > > On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 5:06 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> > wrote: > > Do we know why Adam blows up whenever people specify OIDs they want > to track? I've never bothered to figure it out myself. He made it seem like > hte OID was such a small part of everything that needed to be done. > > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From: "Neil Lathwood" <neil.lathw...@gmail.com> > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 1:08:23 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of > WISPS > > > On 31 March 2015 at 19:04, WaveDirect <li...@wavedirect.org> wrote: > > Yeah you should accept at least equipment donations :) Some of us > may have spares we can part with and after you are done sell them to help > buy other products you want to support. > > > > The donation of equipment is a huge ++++. It wouldn't be necessary > to send the kit anywhere just provide snmp access, that way we can see what > data is available and work on adding support. > > > Thanks, > > > Neil > > >
