Its mostly financial considerations… we do whatever we can (payments, etc.) to push them that direction. It just makes the most sense.
Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 1:00 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Do you want to see this stuff here? I don’t understand why customers don’t blink an eye signing 2 year contracts on cellphones and satellite service, but resist investing in a Rohn tower which is an asset with about a 30 year life and also gives them a place to mount things like an OTA TV antenna, security cameras, etc. Not sure if they think it’s ugly, or just don’t make financial decisions for the long term. From: Paul McCall<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net> Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 11:34 AM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Do you want to see this stuff here? I don’t know comparatively Tushar. We have found that 50mph winds for an afternoon is all it takes to bend them. Being on the ocean, we also see them corrode rather quickly. 2 different brands of poles and within 2 years they are almost unusual, parts break trying to loosen them to lower them etc. They just don’t last and then whose responsibility is it to replace them. The customer doesn’t want to pay twice that’s for sure. The other problem is fine tuning… east/west is OK, but up/down angle of a dish is a PIA. 320 CPEs are not as bad on a pole for tuning, but the other issues really hurt us. We would rather try talking the customer into a Rohn 25 40 feet or a bit more depending on highest building attachment point so that we are not guyed. Even if we do that at parts / labor cost, its much better long term, and easy to service the radio. MOST of the time, we are able to sell that at a $ 500 REAL profit, and a win-win for all From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tushar Patel Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 9:43 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Do you want to see this stuff here? I agree it is hard to service. Most of the time we have two people to install but one person to service, some time two. But how is it be different in Florida than Texas? We get enough windstorms, we deal with pole bent etc too. Tushar On Jun 14, 2015, at 7:22 AM, Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote: Push up poles in Florida is a nightmare waiting to happen. We learned that the hard way. Even with guy wires. And, a pain to service. Kinda fits your description of NLOS customers below. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tushar Patel Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 11:52 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Do you want to see this stuff here? Your point on sector efficiency is the reason we no longer like NLOS installs. Yes you may gain few customer with little less effort but in long run it hurts. We try to install 40 to 50 feet push-up poles and get better line of sight. Tushar On Jun 13, 2015, at 10:44 PM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com<mailto:geo...@cbcast.com>> wrote: That's great that it works. I'm sure the Telrad stuff and other gear like it is excellent. For me, it's too expensive. Every way I run the numbers, I'm looking at 16-18 months for break-even. And that's not including all of the extra stuff required for a large scale deployment. If I can't get 25-30 users per sector, the site is too small to deploy it. If I'm running a bunch of NLOS customers (which we would since we're about 55% 900MHz), lots of low modulation users really sucks for sector capacity. And those NLOS shots, like Ken says, will they continue to work? When the trees are soaked, covered in ice, etc., does it go to shit and I have to listen to customers bitching because they were getting 20+Mbps and now get <5Mbps? Which again is a hit on sector efficiency. On 6/13/2015 8:48 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: One thing I experienced with 3.65 GHz WiMAX was an install that turned out to work only because of signal bouncing off the tall tree leaves, and stopped working in November when the leaves went away. We should have been suspicious when aligning for best signal actually had the CPE pointed up at about a 30 degree angle. I have seen something similar with 900 MHz. From: TJ Trout<mailto:t...@voltbb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 8:15 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Do you want to see this stuff here? How does LTE penetrate hills? This is the second or third "through a hill" story in the last week? On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 3:50 PM, Patrick Leary <patrick.le...@telrad.com<mailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com>> wrote: RSRP, it is a measurement. It is a truer number than RSSI, which is only an estimate (so I'm told). As Ken said, basically add 30 to get an idea of the RSSI value. Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID On Jun 13, 2015 5:36 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com<mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote: Yeah... something like that. Notice that is -108 CINR, not RSSI, like the numbers we're all used to. On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote: I think Patrick said to add 30 dB to Telrad signal numbers because they were “per subcarrier” or something? From: Colin Stanners<mailto:cstann...@gmail.com> Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 4:17 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Do you want to see this stuff here? Patrick, I haven't been following Telrad but that's too incredible - I can't see how -108, which is below the noise floor for any reasonable channel bandwidth (20mhz+?) could get any reasonable speed, much less those. On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 3:57 PM, Patrick Leary <patrick.le...@telrad.com<mailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com>> wrote: Should I resist sharing this sort of thing? If it's out of line, let me know Chuck. <mime-attachment.png> -----Original Message----- From: telrad-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:telrad-boun...@wispa.org> [mailto:telrad-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:telrad-boun...@wispa.org>] On Behalf Of Steve Discher Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 7:51 PM To: tel...@wispa.org<mailto:tel...@wispa.org> Subject: [Telrad] Another Telrad success story Not to flood the list with these but Zirkel is having great results. ************************************************************************************ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses. ************************************************************************************ ************************************************************************************ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses. ************************************************************************************ ************************************************************************************ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses. ************************************************************************************ ************************************************************************************ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses. ************************************************************************************
