*nods* HE will peer with you, so just use that. Buy Cogent for customer routes, but not transit (use BGP communities to affect the change so you can turn on full routes if need be). Get someone else for the rest.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Faisal Imtiaz" <fai...@snappytelecom.net> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 3:27:52 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center bandwidth >>What is wrong with HE and Cogent? This is a highly subjective discussion....Valid answers are between Nothing to Everything ! :) Both of them are very popular due to their pricing structure... Thus are also subject to issues related to such popularity..... e.g. It is not un-common to see their ports over-subscribed (by the networks they connect to), thus seeing peak time packet loss It is not un-common to see strange routing paths, when traversing them to connect to other networks, In major metro areas, their routers/interconnections are under heavy stress.... While I have my own opinions on the different IP Transit providers, they all have their areas of strength and weaknesses. Cogent & HE are great networks, when it comes to connectivity within their network and their customers, using them for transit can be touch and go (greatly dependent on the geography) Level3, extensive network, but most of the time, lights are no, no one is home.. or it is questionable as to who is steering that ship if anyone. XO, Older network, have great connectivity in Tier2 areas and fudging in others. Zayo, the Abovenet side is still very respectable, but lots of melding of their acquisitions going on .... GTT /(AS3257), Good network, but they are quiet discombobulated at the present, they are actively collapsing their Nlayer & Tinet into one network... TATA, acquired taste, best connectivity to the Eastern Part of the world (Far East), NOC & OPS are not in the US, their US connectivity is interesting. Hibernia, very interesting network, they peer heavily all over the world, so lots of networks are just one hop away, however NOC is out of Europe, dealing with Time difference and Days off does require some patience... Having said that, this is the reason why some folks have multiple carriers in their mix, so that they can traffic engineer to optimize the good and go around the not so good. As an ISP, one might care less for route optimization, however, when you start offering hosted services ( any kind of hosting including voice) then you start paying attention to these subtle traffic routing issues, periodic packet loss, and you want to have cleaner, closer connections to the most common larger consumer broadband networks such as ATT,Charter, Comcast, TWC etc.etc etc. :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darin Steffl" <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 2:51:47 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center bandwidth What is wrong with HE and Cogent? We've compared their routes to Level3, Sprint, XO, Zayo, etc. and HE has the lowest latency routes out of Minnesota and Cogent is better than all the other big names as well. Each POP location we pick them up from has redundant routes out and we have had no downtime from either provider. Not sure if your POP locations are different but we, as well as every other major regional ISP in our area is going to Cogent and HE for bandwidth and we've had no problems. I'm sure this was different 3-5+ years ago but today, they both have VERY solid networks in our opinion and their support contacts have been very responsive with questions we've had. On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 1:36 PM, Paul Stewart < p...@paulstewart.org > wrote: <blockquote> Yeah that pricing for Cogent is likely “promo” pricing to get you locked in – that’s if you like Cogent at all. Back to the quality vs price discussion – that’s the point where I remove HE and Cogent from the discussion … yes, have both of them in our mix and neither are great in my opinion. If I had to choose between the two of them (and I can’t believe I’m saying this) then HE I find better now than Cogent – a few years ago it was the other way around. GTT I like – lately, I’ve heard some rumblings from long term customers but haven’t seen anything. Level(3) I like a lot – their customer service/NOC is horrible but the network itself is solid. TATA – really dislike The list goes on and on … currently we have TATA, LLNW (disconnecting soon), GTT/TiNet, Level(3), HE, and Cogent. This does not include peering though where there is significant growth for us… Paul From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Jon Auer Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 1:19 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center bandwidth Cogent's intro rate for 1G is $700, so I'd hold out for that even if you're going to use a radio that only moves 100Mbps. If the cost is the same, why not get more bandwidth so it's one less thing to worry about when you need it? Also, once you become a Cogent customer they are very reluctant to let you have the 1G/$700 price. On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 9:09 AM, joseph marsh < bwireless...@gmail.com > wrote: <blockquote> We are wanting quality bandwidth Isn't gig e have to be transported on licensed radios or do they make unlicensed Radios for gig e On Jun 24, 2015 8:59 AM, "Paul Stewart" < p...@paulstewart.org > wrote: <blockquote> Are you after quality bandwidth or cheap bandwidth? Not dropping names, just thinking it’s a reasonable question and both answers are correct … From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of joseph marsh Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 9:53 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center bandwidth The price of bandwidth is what is attracting me to the idea He quoted. 100/100 for less than 700/mo I'm paying that for 20/20 and almost to my max now On Jun 24, 2015 8:50 AM, "joseph marsh" < bwireless...@gmail.com > wrote: <blockquote> Cogent rep brought this up and said it would be a few days for him to find me contact info to ask that my self Just trying to see what other places allow or don't On Jun 24, 2015 8:44 AM, "Seth Mattinen" < se...@rollernet.us > wrote: <blockquote> On 6/24/15 6:41 AM, joseph marsh wrote: <blockquote> I have spoken to them and they are carrier neutral just wondering about attaching a ptp radio in top of building to. Why not ask them? ~Seth </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com 507-634-WiFi Like us on Facebook </blockquote>
