And who would pay you for that? I agree a fiber to every user from the feed is ideal. PON is progressing at the pace that I see nobody, at least in our area, that will need more than what PON can affordably provide now. By the time we need 10G out here, the big guys would have brought the price point down for that too.
On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 3:10 AM, Jason McKemie < j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > Maybe it's a non-issue, but it seems like active layout is the way to go. > You wind up with a fiber or two to each house and you can still hook it up > in a pon configuration, but have the option to upgrade in the future. If I > wanted to, I could easily do 10gbps symmetric every house right now. > > > On Wednesday, June 24, 2015, Chuck Hogg <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote: > >> Well, we're importing direct from China currently. It's cheap. For >> example, we bought a demo kit, OLT, 16 of each ONT, Power Supplies, >> etc...<$5k. Each port is 1:64 capable, and has 8 ports. Essentially we'll >> probably only do 1:32. Gives us around 200 subs per unit. I think that >> breaks it down to less than $15. ONTs are <$60. >> >> The engineering design of PON makes construction cheap. We are using a >> 12 ct drop ($.19/ft) to serve 100 units. Essentially, we'll do a 1x8 PLC >> with 4 feeders. The 4 feeders repeat this design. Essentially, you can >> serve 160 units that way. I can reuse the infrastructure over and over and >> over easily. >> >> PLC's are super duper cheap. I pay less than $25 landed cost to me from >> China, regardless of 1x2-1x32. >> >> My biggest cost is construction and machine maintenance. >> >> Regards, >> Chuck >> >> On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 11:13 AM, Roger Timmerman <timmer...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> What are you guys seeing on your cost-per-customer for GPON OLT >>> electronics? Based on 1:16 or 1:32 split? What about the ONT cost? >>> >>> For simple Ethernet aggregation of fiber, I've been looking at a cost of >>> about $42/port for fiber aggregation (Huawei S5700-52X-LI-48CS-AC), >>> with another $40 per bidi transceiver (1/2 of a dual bidi CSFP). Then on >>> the ONT side I have seen ~$40 for a dumb media converter with built-in bidi >>> to $100 for a full featured indoor ONT with 4 GigE ports and 2 POTS. >>> >>> I haven't priced out GPON solutions in a while, but last I checked, it >>> ended up costing a lot more than this. Granted, I understand the OSP >>> benefits of GPON, but just want to look at an electronics comparison. >>> >>> Roger >>> >>> On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 6:01 PM, Chuck Hogg <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I'm working on a new one right now (ZTE), but I will say we have had >>>> issues with Dasan. I would love to talk to someone who has deployed ZTE. >>>> We're also evaluating Alphion. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Chuck >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 12:08 PM, KevinR <gol...@genevaonline.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Chuck, >>>>> >>>>> Can you tell us what vendors are working for you? >>>>> I know you have said you have tried a few. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Jun 23, 2015, at 10:33 AM, Chuck Hogg <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> The more PON we do, the more I like it. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Chuck >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 11:26 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> PON to the desktop would only have active gear in the NOC and in the >>>>>> device. Everything between is passive. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- >>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>>> >>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>>>>> http://www.midwest-ix.com >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> *From: *"Nate Burke" <n...@blastcomm.com> >>>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, June 23, 2015 10:16:36 AM >>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Indoor GPON - Why? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> But Why? I understand Long haul PON for FTTH, to conserve miles and >>>>>> miles of trunk fiber, but why in a building? Instead of having a single >>>>>> device (a switch) you now have active hardware all over the building to >>>>>> manage and maintain (And power). >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 6/23/2015 10:08 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> PON looks to be where people are going for fiber to the desktop. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- >>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>>> >>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>>>>> http://www.midwest-ix.com >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> *From: *"Nate Burke" <n...@blastcomm.com> >>>>>> *To: *"Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com> >>>>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, June 23, 2015 9:49:14 AM >>>>>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Indoor GPON - Why? >>>>>> >>>>>> We just had a new public library built here in town. The entire LAN >>>>>> infrastructure is built on PON using the Tellabs ONT's. >>>>>> http://www01.tellabs.com/products/tellabs1100ont.shtml I've briefly >>>>>> looked around their site, and read some case studies, but Why would >>>>>> you >>>>>> choose PON infrastructure in a single building? From what I can >>>>>> tell, >>>>>> you still have to run CAT 5 to the ONT for power, and the 4 port >>>>>> units >>>>>> (which I saw several around the library) have a wall-wort and a power >>>>>> switch. I'm having trouble wrapping my head around the concept, >>>>>> other >>>>>> than someone make a slick presentation, and someone else got a nice >>>>>> payoff. I wouldn't be surprised of the Latter, every single 120v >>>>>> outlet >>>>>> in the building is a 20A duplex receptacle with USB Ports (~$30 each) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>
