Well, there you go. The counterargument to installing new FW right away. From: Nate Burke Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 9:45 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netflix app on iPad keeps asking to reconnect
6.30.1 is already released as a bugfix too..... On 7/15/2015 9:42 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Thanks, I guess I’ll have to try that. I can’t keep up. I thought 6.29 was the latest. From: Justin Wilson - MTIN Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 6:48 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netflix app on iPad keeps asking to reconnect Here is why I recommended upgrading to the latest. If I have a problem client like that and some troubleshooting doesn’t fix it I upgrade just that client to the latest. Mikrotik routinely leaves things out of the changeling that were fixed. They are getting better. WMM support has been an issue across many brands of routers. The Apple boards talk of WMM support being turned off and fixing issues. 6.30 *) wireless - added WMM power save suport for mobile devices; 6.22 *) 100% CPU load caused by DNS service fixed; *) 100% CPU load caused by unclassified services fixed; Justin --- Justin Wilson <j...@mtin.net> http://www.mtin.net Managed Services – xISP Solutions – Data Centers http://www.thebrotherswisp.com Podcast about xISP topics http://www.midwest-ix.com Peering – Transit – Internet Exchange On Jul 14, 2015, at 11:16 AM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com> wrote: I have a RB751 at home. My Moto X's wireless likes to just stop passing traffic. I log in and see a bunch of deauths and key timeouts in the log. I had the preamble set to both and changed it to long the other day. I also updated it to 6.30 last night before I went to bed. So I'm hoping one of those fixes it. This also happens with my phone and others in the office on the Unifi though, but a lot less frequent. MT wireless is just.. different. On 7/14/2015 5:14 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I assume you had it on both (the default), not short, before the switch? I will give that a try, shouldn’t be any downside I don’t think. I’m wanting to try stuff that has worked for other people, not random stuff. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, July 13, 2015 9:52 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netflix app on iPad keeps asking to reconnect I changed one to long and the key exchange drops seem to have vanished. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, July 13, 2015 9:50:03 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netflix app on iPad keeps asking to reconnect I have it set to both. I thought the issue was if you set it to short only. From: David Milholen Sent: Monday, July 13, 2015 9:45 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netflix app on iPad keeps asking to reconnect Been seeing alot of this with apple devices that have issues staying connected or connecting in general and changing the preamble setting to long seems to fix most issues On 7/13/2015 9:38 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: This is set to 2437, not auto. The complaining customer called today and said the issue is 99% fixed after I changed the group key exchange from 5m to 60m, which unfortunately is as long as RouterOS lets you set it. I believe this is the interval for rotating the group ciphers, not the timeout for the exchange. Not sure why the Apple devices seem to be not doing the handshake for the new keys, resulting in them getting deauthed and disconnected. The only other thing I am considering is changing channel width from 20/40 to 20 MHz. There’s a list of tips from Apple that says to do that in 2.4 GHz, but they seem to imply it’s for compatibility with other devices, not specifically iOS devices. The other thing Apple recommends is enabling WMM, I’m not sure if that’s a good idea, especially since Mikrotik doesn’t support WMM sleep mode, AFAIK. I’m not sure why just the QoS part of WMM would prevent a client from getting disconnected. From: Chris Wright Sent: Monday, July 13, 2015 10:36 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netflix app on iPad keeps asking to reconnect I’ve seen plenty of iOS devices throw fits whenever the wireless access point is set to auto frequency selection. Some iPads/iPhones/etc. get left behind when the channel switches. Chris Wright Network Administrator Velociter Wireless 209-838-1221 x115 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 6:44 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netflix app on iPad keeps asking to reconnect Let’s not get sidetracked with a discussion of downgrading, I don’t think that’s relevant here. I do understand what you’re saying about the changelog – Mikrotik may have changed/fixed something from 6.19 to 6.29 silently without noting it in the changelog. I was kind of hoping someone knew a trick to get the Netflix app to just keep playing rather than popping up an error message. Or had seen this problem before and knew how to fix it. The group key exchange timeout may be a red herring. I’m not sure if Mikrotik is doing a good thing by kicking the client off when the group key exchange fails after a key rotation. I guess it prevents a situation where the client can’t talk to other clients on the same LAN because multicast/broadcast traffic isn’t getting through. But maybe it would be less intrusive to just wait for the next key rotation to restore that functionality rather than forcing a disconnect. Also I’m not sure why they won’t let you set the key rotation interval longer than 1 hour or turn off rotation entirely, probably for security reasons. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 8:12 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netflix app on iPad keeps asking to reconnect The don't downgrade applies to ROS version and firmware. There may not be an issue with a given product and two versions, but it's a good habit to get into. Mikrotik's changelog is like cheating on your spouse. Everyone sees you behaving differently now, but there's no official paperwork showing it. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 8:06:13 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netflix app on iPad keeps asking to reconnect This particular router has Routerboard FW 3.18 so I think it was upgraded to 6.19 not downgraded. Also, I don’t see any wireless related changes in the changelog from 6.19 to 6.29. I’m thinking of changing the group key update interval from 5m to 1h which I think is the max. I’m not sure if the group key exchange timeouts are due to the client being in sleep mode, or a problem I should be worrying about. The fact that the Mikrotik sends deauth to disconnect the client which then immediately connects doesn’t seem like a good think. Without the deauth and disconnect, I would not expect unicast traffic to be affected. I’m thinking the iPad knows the WiFi disconnected and tells the app which then pops up the annoying error which requires the user to tap OK and then Play. If I change the timeout to 1h and the frequency of the problem stays the same, I think that will eliminate this as the possible cause. Reading the logs can be confusing, it’s amazing how many iPhones and iPads one family can have. Hard to sort out the problems from normal events. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 7:20 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netflix app on iPad keeps asking to reconnect I don't believe you're ever supposed to downgrade a device's shipped software, due to unknown chipset\driver changes. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2015 9:42:19 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netflix app on iPad keeps asking to reconnect Actually no, I have everything on 6.19 because it was stable for me and I don't like facing the choice of either upgrading everything in the field every month or having every router on a different version. I've even been downgrading the latest shipment of 951G's that came in with 6.23. Usually switching to Mikrotik from store bought routers solves a lot of iPad/iPhone problems for us. He said this is the latest iPad, would that be the iPad Air 2? I remember the iPad Air being new 2 Christmases ago. -----Original Message----- From: Justin Wilson - MTIN Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 9:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netflix app on iPad keeps asking to reconnect Apple devices are picky on their wifi stuff when it comes to mikrotik. I assume you have upgraded to the latest version of RouterOS. This is one of the few times running the latest helps. I was running 6.21 on one of my APs in the house and anytime I roamed to it things became very slow. OS upgrade helped. Is this an iPad, Ipad2, iPad Air? Justin --- Justin Wilson <j...@mtin.net> http://www.mtin.net Managed Services � xISP Solutions � Data Centers http://www.thebrotherswisp.com Podcast about xISP topics http://www.midwest-ix.com Peering � Transit � Internet Exchange > On Jul 9, 2015, at 6:17 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: > > I just talked to the customer again and the Netflix error he is getting is > 1016. > > If he clicks OK and Play, it starts playing again. Of course the Netflix > troubleshooting tips say things like power cycle your router and modem. > > The only thing that occurs to me is we put in a Mikrotik router with 2.4 > GHz WiFi, previously he was using a Frontier DSL modem, not sure if that > was dual band WiFi or not. But if I Google Netflix error 1016, some of > the suggestions involve turning off Bluetooth on the iPad. Other > suggestions have to do with location services. None of those sound > logical to me, but who knows with iDevices and Netflix apps. > > > -----Original Message----- From: Ken Hohhof > Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 4:08 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: [AFMUG] Netflix app on iPad keeps asking to reconnect > > I have a new customer who says our Internet is faster than the DSL they > had > before, but he is having a problem with Netflix on his (WiFi only) iPad > that > didn't occur on the DSL. > > He says it will stop and say it is no longer connected, does he want to > reconnect? He clicks yes, and it works again for awhile. > > I cannot find anything regarding this with Google. Can anyone enlighten > me? > > > -- <Mail Attachment.jpeg>
