No, if traffic is slow or stop and go, you can double your range.  If things 
get tight I drive 30 mph and go twice as far.  Now, if you are blowing the 
heater at max or the AC at max it would change things.  I got stopped in a 2 
hour traffic jam in the middle of winter and started to wonder if I was going 
to have to kill the heater at one point but then things started to move.  

From: Nate Burke 
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 2:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Tesla

Ok, this might be a stupid question, but if you get stuck in Traffic, that uses 
almost no battery then, right?  Other than the stop and go.  Would that kill it 
quicker?  Example, there is a 30 mile drive, but through construction.  Traffic 
either flows nicely, or it takes an extra 20 min in stop and go traffic.  Would 
you trust it?



On 8/10/2015 3:23 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  I don’t use the projected range meter at all.  I use the battery % meter when 
I am worried.  It seems to be spot on.  But after a while, you just use a trip 
odometer.  When 30 miles have burned off you know you have to turn around or 
charge at the far end.  

  From: Nate Burke 
  Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 2:21 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Tesla

  How accurate is the battery meter?  Is it like my phone in the cold where as 
soon as I go to use it, it goes from Full charge to empty.  Does it give you a 
range at projected speed, or just a %?



  On 8/10/2015 3:17 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

    I use it year around.  When it gets down to zero outside, the range is 60 
miles or less.  

    From: Nate Burke 
    Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 2:14 PM
    To: af@afmug.com 
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Tesla

    Do I remember that you don't use your at all in the winter?  How does it do 
in the cold with the heater running?  40-50 or less?



    On 8/10/2015 3:09 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

      They advertise 90 or 100 or some such number.  But if you go much over 60 
miles the anxiety starts to mount.  I have done 70 I think once.  It will 
probably do 75.  It does 60-65 all day long at freeway speeds with HVAC running 
full bore.  

      From: Josh Luthman 
      Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 2:05 PM
      To: af@afmug.com 
      Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Tesla

      What are you getting now?  The 2017 should get 120 from a couple of 
articles.


      Josh Luthman
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      On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 4:02 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

        Do we know yet what the 2017 leaf range is supposed to be?  My leaf 
lease is up and I am probably going to re-up for another year to get the bigger 
battery.

        -----Original Message----- From: Rory Conaway
        Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 1:59 PM
        To: af@afmug.com
        Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Tesla

        He is planning on lower battery costs with the new plant or before.  
Even the Leaf has gotten profitable since it's conception for that reason which 
is why they can put a 20% bigger battery pack in for the same amount of money.

        Rory

        -----Original Message-----

        From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
        Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 12:50 PM
        To: af@afmug.com
        Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Tesla

        He can subsidize it with his space transport business.

        -----Original Message----- From: Travis Johnson
        Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 1:36 PM
        To: af@afmug.com
        Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Tesla

        Hi,

        The news today about Tesla is they lose $4,000 per car they sell...
        makes you wonder how much longer that can continue? They are also having
        to support all their Super charging stations across the country (at no
        additional cost for customers), etc.

        It's a great concept, and a great first generation electric car, but it
        can't continue like this forever...

        Travis








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