Naw, not all. I buy some things at which I'm not stupid at. I certainly do buy some things I am stupid at, though.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2015 9:25:34 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New ISP Billing Solution: Sonar Ya. All customers are stupid :) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Sep 29, 2015 10:21 PM, "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software> wrote: That's not very nice! On 9/29/2015 9:15 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: <blockquote> Most customers are stupid. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2015 4:17:01 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New ISP Billing Solution: Sonar that a very non customercentric approach On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 3:58 PM, Simon Westlake < simon@sonar.software > wrote: <blockquote> The end game will be to enable a user to import their own data however they want. When we will get to that point, I'm not sure. And all the formatting of that data and everything else is still up in the air. I really want to let people self manage their systems though. I think it's incredibly frustrating to wait on someone else to go back and forth on something like an import, whether that data is from Platypus, Quickbooks or whatever it might be. And it's a lot of manpower on our side to manage all those imports, so it's mutually beneficial if we can make it happen. On 9/29/2015 3:34 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote: <blockquote> Also, import from Platypus? -----Original Message----- From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2015 2:24 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New ISP Billing Solution: Sonar This should be an interesting answer.... -----Original Message----- From: Jay Weekley Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2015 2:22 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New ISP Billing Solution: Sonar Does it come with an "Import From Powercode" button? Simon Westlake wrote: <blockquote> Yeah. I'm not saying 'we promise, there will never be any bugs.' But, we're not putting something out and saying 'ehh, it probably works. If it doesn't, it's beta!' The whole platform is built around automated testing. Every single thing we can think of has an automated test written around it. So anytime we change anything, we can run our test suite (which already takes a very long time..) and know categorically if we've broken anything. On desktop, mobile, the API, billing, one credit card processor in particular - everything. Makes it a lot easier to say 'we're very confident this works.' I think, the other thing that is going to make this different is we're not trying to make every single thing possible for every single person. We brought an accountant on board to help design the billing system. She directed us in the application of a lot of the billing functionality so it could be reported properly and audited properly. This means it's pretty likely at some point, somebody is going to ask to do XYZ, and we're going to say no - not because we don't want to, but because we've built a system that adheres to a specific set of principles, and in the eyes of the system, deviating from those principles is fundamentally wrong. The good side of that is that things just work in a sane way, and we're really confident that anyone with an accounting background is going to be happy with the reporting and audit trail in the system. We're building the front end to be pretty simple and easy to use (you don't need to be a CPA to figure out how to bill) and that's really how we're trying to approach each part of the system - have a clear set of laws defined for how a specific system works, and then build interfaces that lets humans easily use them. On 9/29/2015 2:59 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote: <blockquote> � read the forum / notes.� it basically says "no beta. ever.�".��� not sure how that will work... that's a LOT of testing for it to never be released to beta... i mean, we all use the software in a different way... � ----- Original Message ----- *From:* Brett A Mansfield <mailto: li...@silverlakeinternet.com > *To:* af@afmug.com *Sent:* Tuesday, September 29, 2015 1:30 PM *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New ISP Billing Solution: Sonar Only question I have is will it be beta forever? I'm kinda done with all of this beta crap. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On Sep 29, 2015, at 11:42 AM, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > wrote: <blockquote> No it's CALLED sonar.� Which means it doesn't have it.� Isn't that what all the cool clubs do? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 1:31 PM, Daniel White < afmu...@gmail.com > wrote: It uses Sonar.� Geesh. � Thank you, � Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com <mailto: afmu...@gmail.com >__ Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 <tel:%2B1%20%28303%29%20746-3590> Skype: danieldwhite Social: LinkedIn < http://www.linkedin.com/in/danielwhite84 >: Twitter < https://twitter.com/DanielWhite84 > � *From:*Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Tuesday, September 29, 2015 10:54 AM *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto: af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New ISP Billing Solution: Sonar � OK.� Why does it have a radar detector?� Does it know that speeding is wrong? � Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 <tel: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 � On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 12:48 PM, Simon Westlake < simon@sonar.software <mailto: simon@sonar.software >> wrote: Yes, when it detects radar, it shuts down. On 9/29/2015 11:41 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: When is the release date? How much processing power does it take? How does it perform in the real world? Will it do DFS? � Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 <tel: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 � On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 12:39 PM, Adam Moffett < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote: Hah. Will it be more or less than Powercode? Will it be more or less than Platypus? On 9/29/2015 12:08 PM, Simon Westlake wrote: Yes, I can confidently say that it will cost more than Freeside. On 9/29/2015 11:07 AM, Vlad Sedov wrote: Is it more expensive than Freeside? ehheh Vlad On 9/29/2015 10:37 AM, Simon Westlake wrote: I'll be sharing stuff on the list, forum and blog as time goes on. Nothing just yet, but we are bringing the first few early access participants in who won't be in NDA, so they are free to share anything they want as well. No, it's all original code built on completely different technology than Powercode was. It's a very different platform. On 9/29/2015 10:35 AM, Steve wrote: Can we get any more details?� Screen shots?� Etas?� Roadmaps?� Like is this a fork of Powercode or from the ground up? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2015 11:04:37 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New ISP Billing Solution: Sonar I don't dare ask which part. On 9/29/2015 9:39 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Reminds me of Silicon Valley. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 <tel: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Sep 29, 2015 10:32 AM, "Lewis Bergman" < lewis.berg...@gmail.com <mailto: lewis.berg...@gmail.com >> wrote: � � �Maybe he got good advice from a lawyer. I am not one but my � � �understanding is that a noncompete can't be so broad as to prevent � � �future employment, which moving out of the country would definably � � �qualify as. � � �On Tue, Sep 29, 2015, 9:19 AM Keefe John < keefe...@ethoplex.com � � �<mailto: keefe...@ethoplex.com >> wrote: � � � � �Maybe he's operating from a moonbase...or russia. � � � � �On 9/29/2015 9:16 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: � � � � �> Wonder how Simon is getting around Bertram's 5000 mile non � � � � �compete � � � � �> exclusion zone? � � � � �> � � � � �> -----Original Message----- From: Keefe John � � � � �> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2015 8:14 AM � � � � �> To: Animal Farm � � � � �> Subject: [AFMUG] New ISP Billing Solution: Sonar � � � � �> � � � � �> This website just popped up today.� The product looks very � � � � �exciting! � � � � �> I can't wait to find out more about it. � � � � �> � � � � �> https://sonar.software/ � � � � �> � � � � �> https://sonar.community/t/announcing-sonar/30 � � � � �> � � � � �> � � � � �> Keefe John � � � � �> Ethoplex � � � � �> � � � � � � � ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Avast logo < https://www.avast.com/antivirus > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com < https://www.avast.com/antivirus > </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. </blockquote> </blockquote>
