Most customers are stupid.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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*From: *"That One Guy /sarcasm" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
*To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent: *Tuesday, September 29, 2015 4:17:01 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] New ISP Billing Solution: Sonar
that a very non customercentric approach
On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 3:58 PM, Simon Westlake
<simon@sonar.software <mailto:simon@sonar.software>> wrote:
The end game will be to enable a user to import their own
data however they want. When we will get to that point, I'm
not sure. And all the formatting of that data and everything
else is still up in the air.
I really want to let people self manage their systems though.
I think it's incredibly frustrating to wait on someone else
to go back and forth on something like an import, whether
that data is from Platypus, Quickbooks or whatever it might
be. And it's a lot of manpower on our side to manage all
those imports, so it's mutually beneficial if we can make it
happen.
On 9/29/2015 3:34 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
Also, import from Platypus?
-----Original Message-----
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2015 2:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New ISP Billing Solution: Sonar
This should be an interesting answer....
-----Original Message-----
From: Jay Weekley
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2015 2:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New ISP Billing Solution: Sonar
Does it come with an "Import From Powercode" button?
Simon Westlake wrote:
Yeah. I'm not saying 'we promise, there will never be
any bugs.' But,
we're not putting something out and saying 'ehh, it
probably works. If
it doesn't, it's beta!'
The whole platform is built around automated testing.
Every single
thing we can think of has an automated test written
around it. So
anytime we change anything, we can run our test suite
(which already
takes a very long time..) and know categorically if
we've broken
anything. On desktop, mobile, the API, billing, one
credit card
processor in particular - everything.
Makes it a lot easier to say 'we're very confident
this works.'
I think, the other thing that is going to make this
different is we're
not trying to make every single thing possible for
every single
person. We brought an accountant on board to help
design the billing
system. She directed us in the application of a lot
of the billing
functionality so it could be reported properly and
audited properly.
This means it's pretty likely at some point, somebody
is going to ask
to do XYZ, and we're going to say no - not because we
don't want to,
but because we've built a system that adheres to a
specific set of
principles, and in the eyes of the system, deviating
from those principles is fundamentally wrong.
The good side of that is that things just work in a
sane way, and
we're really confident that anyone with an accounting
background is
going to be happy with the reporting and audit trail
in the system.
We're building the front end to be pretty simple and
easy to use (you
don't need to be a CPA to figure out how to bill) and
that's really
how we're trying to approach each part of the system
- have a clear
set of laws defined for how a specific system works,
and then build
interfaces that lets humans easily use them.
On 9/29/2015 2:59 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
�
read the forum / notes.� it basically says "no
beta.
ever.�".��� not sure how that will work...
that's a LOT of testing for it to never be
released to beta...
i mean, we all use the software in a different way...
�
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Brett A Mansfield
<mailto:li...@silverlakeinternet.com
<mailto:li...@silverlakeinternet.com>>
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 29, 2015 1:30 PM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New ISP Billing
Solution: Sonar
Only question I have is will it be beta
forever? I'm kinda done
with all of this beta crap.
Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield
On Sep 29, 2015, at 11:42 AM, Josh Luthman
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
No it's CALLED sonar.� Which means it
doesn't have it.�
Isn't that what all the cool clubs do?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>
Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 1:31 PM, Daniel
White
<afmu...@gmail.com
<mailto:afmu...@gmail.com>> wrote:
It uses Sonar.� Geesh.
�
Thank you,
�
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*From:*Af
[mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of
*Josh
Luthman
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 29, 2015
10:54 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
<mailto:af@afmug.com> <mailto:af@afmug.com
<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New ISP
Billing Solution: Sonar
�
OK.� Why does it have a radar
detector?� Does it know
that speeding is wrong?
�
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
<tel:937-552-2340> <tel:937-552-2340
<tel:937-552-2340>>
Direct: 937-552-2343
<tel:937-552-2343> <tel:937-552-2343
<tel:937-552-2343>>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
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On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 12:48 PM,
Simon Westlake
<simon@sonar.software
<mailto:simon@sonar.software>
<mailto:simon@sonar.software
<mailto:simon@sonar.software>>> wrote:
Yes, when it detects radar, it
shuts down.
On 9/29/2015 11:41 AM, Josh
Luthman wrote:
When is the release date?
How much processing power
does it take?
How does it perform in the
real world?
Will it do DFS?
�
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
<tel:937-552-2340> <tel:937-552-2340
<tel:937-552-2340>>
Direct: 937-552-2343
<tel:937-552-2343> <tel:937-552-2343
<tel:937-552-2343>>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
�
On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at
12:39 PM, Adam Moffett
<dmmoff...@gmail.com
<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hah.
Will it be more or less
than Powercode?
Will it be more or less
than Platypus?
On 9/29/2015 12:08 PM,
Simon Westlake wrote:
Yes, I can
confidently say that it will cost
more than Freeside.
On 9/29/2015 11:07
AM, Vlad Sedov wrote:
Is it more
expensive than Freeside?
ehheh
Vlad
On 9/29/2015
10:37 AM, Simon Westlake wrote:
I'll be sharing stuff on the list,
forum and blog as time goes on.
Nothing just yet, but we are
bringing the first few early access
participants in who won't be in NDA,
so they are
free to share anything
they want as well.
No, it's all
original code built on
completely different technology than
Powercode was. It's a very different
platform.
On 9/29/2015
10:35 AM, Steve wrote:
Can we get any more details?�
Screen shots?� Etas?�
Roadmaps?� Like is this a fork
of Powercode or from the ground up?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Simon Westlake"
<simon@sonar.software>
<mailto:simon@sonar.software>
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 29,
2015 11:04:37 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New ISP
Billing Solution: Sonar
I don't
dare ask which part.
On 9/29/2015 9:39 AM, Josh
Luthman wrote:
Reminds me of Silicon Valley.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>
<tel:937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>>
Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
<tel:937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Sep 29, 2015 10:32 AM,
"Lewis Bergman"
<lewis.berg...@gmail.com
<mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
<mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com
<mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>>>
wrote:
� � �Maybe he got good
advice from a lawyer. I am
not one but my
� � �understanding is
that a noncompete can't be
so broad as to prevent
� � �future
employment, which moving out
of the country would definably
� � �qualify as.
� � �On Tue, Sep 29,
2015, 9:19 AM Keefe John
<keefe...@ethoplex.com
<mailto:keefe...@ethoplex.com>
� �
�<mailto:keefe...@ethoplex.com
<mailto:keefe...@ethoplex.com>>>
wrote:
� � � � �Maybe
he's operating from a
moonbase...or russia.
� � � � �On
9/29/2015 9:16 AM, Chuck
McCown wrote:
� � � � �> Wonder
how Simon is getting around
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� � � � �compete
� � � � �>
exclusion zone?
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Tuesday, September 29, 2015
8:14 AM
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Billing Solution: Sonar
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website just popped up
today.� The product looks very
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