It isn't responsibility if it's nannying. Responsibility implies that you have the means to do so and yet choose otherwise.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com> Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 10:06:03 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Campus Shootings The 2nd Amendment was based on English version which came earlier and its meaning was for militia to be able to defend state. I don't want to get into a history lesson or political debate. But freedom and individual rights do not and should over ride individual responsibility. Hell we have to take tests to obtain a drivers license...it offers some level of order on the roads. It is too easy for people in USA to but guns. Hunting is one thing...you don't hunt with a hand gun or AK!!! The wackos and lobbyists for NRA and extreme groups will fight tooth and nail any attempt to regulate them citing their rights! What about the right to act responsibly and live in peace. Doesn't portent well for our children.... Jaime Solorza Freedom is not the exercise to choose whatever you want. Heck then free all the child molesters! Human beings need to be controlled, that the whole reasoning behind laws. Im with Jaime and Stefan on this. On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 6:28 AM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: There are many items that kill more humans than first world guns. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: "Stefan Englhardt" < s...@genias.net > To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, October 9, 2015 11:21:43 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Campus Shootings Looking at this with a foreign view I can't understand this "gun love" in US. It is not all about the criminals or idiots. Just look at the statistics for accidents with weapons. The only way to save lifes is to be very restrictive. If someone wants to shoot he can go to a shooting club and leave the weapon there. It is not freedom to have a gun at home. It is silly esp. with kids around. You can't avoid killing with banning weapons but you can reduce it. If I need a weapon I call for police or security.
