Hard to get a driver’s license in Germany.
From: Lewis Bergman
Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 3:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Campus Shootings
Maybe the simple fact that Germany has a much lower rate of car ownership would
explain why they allow them more freedom in that area. 809 compared to 588 per
1000. I would think the lower rate would indicate a more responsible average.
On Sat, Oct 10, 2015, 3:32 PM Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:
What's right for one country, isn't necessarily right for another. While I
would love to be able to drive as fast I think is safe, knowing how the typical
American drives, I'd guess that it would be far more deadly here than in
Germany. I suspect the same logic applies to other stuff to some extent.
On Oct 10, 2015 11:05 AM, "Stefan Englhardt" <s...@genias.net> wrote:
Countrys with weak gun control have more shot people. Simple logic in my
eyes.
Nothing to say against if the majority of a country takes this into
account. Just strange in
the eyes of a foreign citizen.
In my country you can buy a BMW and drive as fast as you think it is ok on
highways.
this kills, too. Same arguments here. It is the freedom to drive.
Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett
Gesendet: Samstag, 10. Oktober 2015 16:47
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] OT Campus Shootings
Except that most mass shootings are done with weapons that were obtained in
circumstances that even the most strict of control laws would allow. The
weapons painted as being so evil just plain aren't used in these situations.
Logic doesn't lead you to gun control.
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Mike Hammett
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From: "Darin Steffl" <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 8:12:08 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Campus Shootings
I carry a .380 pistol with me most of the time but I only own three guns
myself. I also consider myself to have many Democratic views when it comes to
gun policy and Republican views with taxes & business aspects.
I personally think it should be MUCH harder to purchase a firearm than it
is. When I purchased my new glock, I ordered it online at Gander Mountain and
walked into the store, they did a quick background check and I walked out in 10
minutes. It was great to me as a consumer and easy. BUT, what if I was angry or
in the heat of the moment and wanted to harm people. Now that easy gun purchase
allowed me to walk out the same day with a deadly weapon.
I do not think our government is trying to take guns away as the crazy
Republicans like to lie about. I do think we should have much stricter gun
control though to keep the nutty people from having easy access. All that is
going to do is make it take longer to purchase a legal firearm, which I am
perfectly fine with if it prevents even one shooting death or mass shooting.
If there's other policies being proposed that can help limit access to
guns, I'm all for it if it still allows me to purchase a pistol to carry
legally and a shotgun to go hunting. I don't believe I should be allowed to own
a machine gun type weapon for use at my home. Weapons like that should be
allowed only at shooting ranges and locked up under heavy security. They do not
belong at a residential home anywhere for sport or home protection.
So anyway, I think there are gun nuts out there that like to walk around
while open carrying and say Obama is trying to steal all our guns. I think
they're crazy and need a bonk on the head to come to your senses. Try acting
normal and conceal your weapon, don't talk like a crazy gun nut and try to
realize you don't need a machine gun.
The government's job is to protect as many citizens as possible. That means
more laws, more enforcement, and more compliance. We can't easily identify and
stop all people who will commit a shooting crime. We can more easily target
guns themselves and prevent the sale of them to as many "bad" people as
possible. For "good" and legal people who want to buy one, stop complaining
about gun control and embrace it in order to help save lives. Gun control isn't
meant for good people, only the bad people. You'll still be able to buy any
weapon you "need" in order to hunt or protect your home.
On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 5:48 AM, Gino Villarini <ginovi...@gmail.com> wrote:
Freedom is not the exercise to choose whatever you want. Heck then free
all the child molesters! Human beings need to be controlled, that the whole
reasoning behind laws. Im with Jaime and Stefan on this.
On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 6:28 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
There are many items that kill more humans than first world guns.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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From: "Stefan Englhardt" <s...@genias.net>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2015 11:21:43 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Campus Shootings
Looking at this with a foreign view I can't understand this "gun love"
in US. It is not all about the criminals or idiots. Just look at the statistics
for accidents with weapons. The only way to save lifes is to be very
restrictive. If someone wants to shoot he can go to a shooting club and leave
the weapon there. It is not freedom to have a gun at home. It is silly esp.
with kids around.
You can't avoid killing with banning weapons but you can reduce it. If
I need a weapon I call for police or security.
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Darin Steffl
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