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Patrick Leary, Telrad
727-501-3735

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 9:34 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis français

BBC is good.  Al Jazeera is surprisingly informative and seems to lack spin.
I listen to NPR continually.

Card carrying GOP but am truly libertarian, cannot vote demo primarily due to 
guns and the abortion issue.

Fox news is like eating a whole bag of halloween candy.  After watching fox I 
have to watch some Rachael Maddow to be able to drive straight again.
(In reality, I avoid TV news.  Radio and Google News is were most of my 
disinformation comes from).

I don’t like apologists, religious or otherwise.  I like the best truths I can 
find.
I really hate partisan politics.  Blood sport all based on pride and self 
aggrandizement.  Does nothing for the people.

From: Glen Waldrop<mailto:gwl...@cngwireless.net>
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 7:20 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG][WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis français

You're right on one thing, politics is not as cut and dried as all of that.

Obama is a jackass.

Fox news is far from perfect.

As a businessman though I recommend not calling your potential customers dumb 
though. Fox may be a group of liars, but at this point in time they are the 
least biased news source in the US (50% biased vs 100%). Pretty much all of the 
rest of them are brown nosing the left so bad I can't see how they haven't 
suffocated themselves.

When I want news with little BS I tend to lean towards BBC myself.


----- Original Message -----
From: Patrick Leary<mailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 7:24 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG][WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis français

The world is such a simple place when everything is Obama’s fault.

Somebody smashes a glass to the ground. 12 years later, people blinded by 
partisanship blame the person who tried to glue some of the pieces back 
together, but the glass still won’t hold water so it must be his fault. 
Extremely disordered cognitive functioning.

…Never mind the real subtleties all the “informed” people on the Right seem to 
forget, chief among them that the IRAQI POLITICIANS SAID THE ONLY WAY WE COULD 
KEEP OUR TROOPS IN COUNTRY WAS TO REMOVE THEIR IMMUNITY AND MAKE THEM SUBJECT 
TO LIABILITY AND PROSECUTION. No one on this side of the pond wanted that, from 
the DoD to BOTH parties. Of course, FOX viewers either are too dumb to know 
this or intentionally pretend that was not the reality, in order to take yet 
another “it’s Obama’s fault” grade school insult. It’s just way more satisfying 
or simpler for their juvenile world view to believe “it’s Obama’s fault!” What, 
are you 10 years old?

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/05/world/middleeast/iraqis-say-no-to-immunity-for-remaining-american-troops.html?_r=0

People really need to educate themselves before spewing childish partisan memes.

Patrick

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2015 8:53 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis français

We had our chance to stop it in Iraq, we cut and run.

And you are right, we didn’t do the right bombing in Vietnam to stop that war.  
And what Ford did at the end is the lesson Obama should have learned which 
could have prevented much of what happened in the Middle East including ISIS.  
Apparently they didn’t teach history to at Harvard.  Imagine the influence a 
multi-cultural and stable Iraqi government would have had on the region.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2015 6:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis français


Collateral damage is highly underrated. Vietnam had no wholesale bombing like 
WWII. that is one reason Vietnam, and the rest of these conflicts, last so long.
The horror of war has to be brought to everyone, including those making the 
decisions, to bring it to an end.

But having said that, this Muslim extremists movement has been been going on 
for about 700 years so it may be to much to expect to be out of war again. 
There may be a lull, but I think the entire world has been drawn into the 
middle East quagmire.

The primary cause damn sure isn't a two degrees warming tend in a couple 
decades.

On Sun, Nov 15, 2015, 7:05 AM Rory Conaway 
<r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
The problem is that they are basically imbedded with civilians.   How do you 
kill them without taking out everyone else.  That is the problem we have had 
all along.  Door-to-door warfare is all that you can do but it’s also the most 
dangerous for our soldiers and nobody is going to allow wholesale bombing like 
Nixon did in Vietnam.

We also burned a lot of good will in all the countries we need to do this with 
when we got the local civilians to act as translators and informants and 
abandoned them after the war, the highest profile of them the doctor in 
Pakistan.  Even he is still in jail years later but the reality is, nobody 
trusts us any more in those regions.  We are not a reliable ally.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2015 11:06 AM
To: Animal Farm <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis français

as much as i hate war and killing....I agree we need to make a parking lot out 
of them...

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Chuck McCown 
<ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
The more of this that happens, the more the rest of the world will unite to rub 
them out.  I am a hopeless optimist.

From: Jaime Solorza<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2015 7:52 AM
To: Animal Farm<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG][WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis français


Yes. I am praying for them and the world.   What a tragedy.. It is beyond 
barbaric..its evil for the sake of evil.

Jaime Solorza
On Nov 13, 2015 10:15 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" 
<fai...@snappytelecom.net<mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net>> wrote:


Oui , et pas seulement cela , nos cœurs et nos prières pour tous ceux qui sont 
touchés par cette Sensless actes brabaric .



Faisal Imtiaz

Snappy Internet & Telecom
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From: "Patrick Leary" 
<patrick.le...@telrad.com<mailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com>>
To: "WISPA General List" <wirel...@wispa.org<mailto:wirel...@wispa.org>>, 
"Telrad List" <tel...@wispa.org<mailto:tel...@wispa.org>>, 
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Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 7:46:29 PM
Subject: [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis français
Tonght, chaque personne libre est un Parisien.

Patrick Leary
Telrad




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