It seems to have worked okay in Germany and Japan... but that was a
bit different. otherwise, I can't think of a case where it really ever
has worked.
On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 1:49 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
My simple mind concludes whenever we go somewhere and attempt to
alter the political landscape by force or dirty tricks it always
makes things worse in the long run. Has it ever worked?
When the people decide to change their situation then there is
sometimes lasting change.
*From:* Faisal Imtiaz <mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net>
*Sent:* Monday, November 16, 2015 12:38 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis
français
I think you all are missing the point.... When it comes to
foreign policy it is done with all sides involved, along with the
give and take, when things go right, everyone stands up and says
'We did it".... when something goes wrong, everyone stands up and
says.. "He or She did it", and "I told you so otherwise".
Excuse the language but ... 'We have been F**ing in other Gov.
affairs, known and unknown for a very long time, and the results
of such have consequences which linger for a very long time..'....
It is easy to play armchair political analysts with a short term
view, but the picture changes when the view expands with History..."
case and point... How many here know and realize what is the cause
of US Iran's rocky relationship..... ?
The roots of this is traced back to actions in the 1950's ....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'%C3%A9tat
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat>
(read the first sentence carefully, and then think of how you can
have a conversation with them about democracy )
While we is the west tend not to have long memories, and stay
awake during History Classes, those affected, tend not to forget !
Iraq is a similar deal...that country has Shia majority.... so it
is very likely that any Democratically elected gov will be tilted
towards the Shia's, that is not something US & Britain are in
favor off, nor the regional Arab dictatorships... thus the status
quo....
Regards
Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
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*From: *"Jeff Broadwick - Lists" <jeffl...@att.net
<mailto:jeffl...@att.net>>
*To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent: *Monday, November 16, 2015 2:00:53 PM
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There are a number of actions, under a pretty wide set of
circumstances, where the US President can act without
Congressional approval. All Presidents push the boundaries.
No one really wants to test the Constitutionality of the War
Powers Act (it's likely unconstitutional).
Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 <tel:312-205-2519> Office
574-220-7826 <tel:574-220-7826> Cell
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On Nov 16, 2015, at 1:47 PM, Faisal Imtiaz
<fai...@snappytelecom.net <mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net>>
wrote:
You are half correct. There a number of small facts that
you have missed, but if you follow the explanation,
rightfully so.
News organizations are in the business of making $. The
only report what they can sell in that particular market.
e.g CNN supplies news feeds to the world, it's just not
the same news feed that they supply to everyone. News
feed, for the US is very different what they supply to
their 'international customers'
This is true for all of the news broadcasters.
BTW, Al Jazeera has been kicked out of many 'Muslim'
countries due to their coverage and reporting.
BBC is commissioned by Her Majesty, as such the loyalty to
the British Empire...
Here is the part that I don't understand......
Everything that I know about the US Gov. System, when it
comes to foreign policy the President cannot take
uni-lateral action...it has to have the Congress's blessing..
So why is it when one is talking about the US's actions,
everyone refers to it as if the US President is acting
like any of the other dictators.
Is is just a way to dump on a President cause he or she is
from the other party ?
Last time I checked, irrespective of all the rhetoric from
Washington, all parties were equally responsible for
participating in actions which have lead to Foreign Policy
failure after failure...
Regards.
Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
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Miami, FL 33155
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*From: *"Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net
<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>>
*To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent: *Monday, November 16, 2015 12:44:40 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez
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News as a disinterested third party, is pretty much
dead. All news organizations have a political leaning
including BBC, Al Jazeera, and NPR. In many cases
it’s not what they report, it’s what they fail to
report that is just as bad or worse. BBC rarely
reports anything negative about the British Government
and is as bad as the New York Times about not
reporting anything negative about a Democrat. Of
course both of them do it, but the amount of time or
the amount of resources will be far less than the
opposite side of the side of the issue. Al Jazeera
never reports anything bad about the Muslim or Islamic
faith and NPR is almost as bad as the BBC when it
comes to never saying anything about a liberal
government. I think NBC, CBS, and ABC have the same
advisor telling them what negative information not to
report on Obama for example. As for NPR, they lost
all credibility with me when they fired Juan Williams
because he said something their management didn’t like
and he is a huge liberal.
There is an argument now that Google can pretty much
influence an election by a huge amount by pushing
positive news information in their search engine about
their liberal candidate up while simultaneously doing
the same thing in a negative light towards a
Conservative candidate.
At this point, it’s pretty much up to us to watch news
organizations from both sides of the aisle and try to
sort out the truth.
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*Paul McCall
*Sent:* Monday, November 16, 2015 8:11 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez
pour nos amis français
+1. Since we have a pretty good idea of what slant
that CNN and Foxnews will put on things without
looking, respectively, I just glance at that both once
in a while. BBC is a good choice.
Paul
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Monday, November 16, 2015 9:34 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez
pour nos amis français
BBC is good. Al Jazeera is surprisingly informative
and seems to lack spin.
I listen to NPR continually.
Card carrying GOP but am truly libertarian, cannot
vote demo primarily due to guns and the abortion issue.
Fox news is like eating a whole bag of halloween
candy. After watching fox I have to watch some Rachael
Maddow to be able to drive straight again.
(In reality, I avoid TV news. Radio and Google News is
were most of my disinformation comes from).
I don’t like apologists, religious or otherwise. I
like the best truths I can find.
I really hate partisan politics. Blood sport all based
on pride and self aggrandizement. Does nothing for the
people.
*From:*Glen Waldrop <mailto:gwl...@cngwireless.net>
*Sent:*Monday, November 16, 2015 7:20 AM
*To:*af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG][WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez
pour nos amis français
You're right on one thing, politics is not as cut and
dried as all of that.
Obama is a jackass.
Fox news is far from perfect.
As a businessman though I recommend not calling your
potential customers dumb though. Fox may be a group of
liars, but at this point in time they are the least
biased news source in the US (50% biased vs 100%).
Pretty much all of the rest of them are brown nosing
the left so bad I can't see how they haven't
suffocated themselves.
When I want news with little BS I tend to lean towards
BBC myself.
----- Original Message -----
*From:*Patrick Leary
<mailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com>
*To:*af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent:*Monday, November 16, 2015 7:24 AM
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG][WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez
pour nos amis français
The world is such a simple place when everything
is Obama’s fault.
Somebody smashes a glass to the ground. 12 years
later, people blinded by partisanship blame the
person who tried to glue some of the pieces back
together, but the glass still won’t hold water so
it must be his fault. Extremely disordered
cognitive functioning.
…Never mind the real subtleties all the “informed”
people on the Right seem to forget, chief among
them that the IRAQI POLITICIANS SAID THE ONLY WAY
WE COULD KEEP OUR TROOPS IN COUNTRY WAS TO REMOVE
THEIR IMMUNITY AND MAKE THEM SUBJECT TO LIABILITY
AND PROSECUTION. No one on this side of the pond
wanted that, from the DoD to BOTH parties. Of
course, FOX viewers either are too dumb to know
this or intentionally pretend that was not the
reality, in order to take yet another “it’s
Obama’s fault” grade school insult. It’s just way
more satisfying or simpler for their juvenile
world view to believe “it’s Obama’s fault!” What,
are you 10 years old?
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/05/world/middleeast/iraqis-say-no-to-immunity-for-remaining-american-troops.html?_r=0
People really need to educate themselves before
spewing childish partisan memes.
Patrick
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf
Of *Rory Conaway
*Sent:* Sunday, November 15, 2015 8:53 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît
priez pour nos amis français
We had our chance to stop it in Iraq, we cut and run.
And you are right, we didn’t do the right bombing
in Vietnam to stop that war. And what Ford did at
the end is the lesson Obama should have learned
which could have prevented much of what happened
in the Middle East including ISIS. Apparently they
didn’t teach history to at Harvard. Imagine the
influence a multi-cultural and stable Iraqi
government would have had on the region.
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf
Of *Lewis Bergman
*Sent:* Sunday, November 15, 2015 6:31 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît
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Collateral damage is highly underrated. Vietnam
had no wholesale bombing like WWII. that is one
reason Vietnam, and the rest of these conflicts,
last so long.
The horror of war has to be brought to everyone,
including those making the decisions, to bring it
to an end.
But having said that, this Muslim extremists
movement has been been going on for about 700
years so it may be to much to expect to be out of
war again. There may be a lull, but I think the
entire world has been drawn into the middle East
quagmire.
The primary cause damn sure isn't a two degrees
warming tend in a couple decades.
On Sun, Nov 15, 2015, 7:05 AM Rory Conaway
<r...@triadwireless.net
<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
The problem is that they are basically
imbedded with civilians. How do you kill them
without taking out everyone else. That is the
problem we have had all along. Door-to-door
warfare is all that you can do but it’s also
the most dangerous for our soldiers and nobody
is going to allow wholesale bombing like Nixon
did in Vietnam.
We also burned a lot of good will in all the
countries we need to do this with when we got
the local civilians to act as translators and
informants and abandoned them after the war,
the highest profile of them the doctor in
Pakistan. Even he is still in jail years later
but the reality is, nobody trusts us any more
in those regions. We are not a reliable ally.
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of
*Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Saturday, November 14, 2015 11:06 AM
*To:* Animal Farm <af@afmug.com
<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
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priez pour nos amis français
as much as i hate war and killing....I agree
we need to make a parking lot out of them...
Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390 <tel:915-861-1390>
On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Chuck McCown
<ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
The more of this that happens, the more
the rest of the world will unite to rub
them out. I am a hopeless optimist.
*From:*Jaime Solorza
<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
*Sent:*Saturday, November 14, 2015 7:52 AM
*To:*Animal Farm <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG][WISPA] S'il vous
plaît priez pour nos amis français
Yes. I am praying for them and the world.
What a tragedy.. It is beyond
barbaric..its evil for the sake of evil.
Jaime Solorza
On Nov 13, 2015 10:15 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz"
<fai...@snappytelecom.net
<mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net>> wrote:
Oui , et pas seulement cela , nos
cœurs et nos prières pour tous ceux
qui sont touchés par cette Sensless
actes brabaric .
Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
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<tel:305%20663%205518%20x%20232>
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Tonght, chaque personne libre est
un Parisien.
Patrick Leary
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