Food, water, shelter, medicine.  The things anyone and everyone need to
survive.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 10:04 AM, Cameron Crum <[email protected]> wrote:

> Since when has it been a basic human right? Where does it stop? Why are
> others forced to pay for peoples bad habits? Other than congenital defects,
> and some accidents, most health problems are due to peoples choices. If our
> money is to be confiscated to pay for everyone's "human right", don't we
> get a say in how they live? How many other human rights are being trampled
> on then?
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Josh Luthman <[email protected]
> > wrote:
>
>> Should medicine really be part of a system of supply and demand?  I'd
>> agree on the whole hotel thing - you don't have to stay there - but when
>> you have some medical condition (and while yes AIDS is something you can
>> certainly avoid) I think as a society and a culture we shouldn't deny a
>> basic human right.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Lewis Bergman <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I can't defend his brashness, but the fact remains that pure capitalism
>>> is the best way demonstrated to date to innovate and health care or pharma
>>> is not exempt. Big rewards encourage big effort yielding big results. These
>>> pharma companies have something like 7 years until the exclusivity period
>>> expires. That can be a pretty short time to recover investments. This
>>> particular case may be a bit extreme but to say that capitalism is broken
>>> in America is simply ludicrous.
>>>
>>> I recently attended my sons graduation from Texas Tech on a Friday.
>>> Thursday night at the hotel was $159 and Friday was $269. I don't think
>>> that is price gouging. I think it is a reflection of the simple fact that
>>> there are fewer rooms available on that particular night than are demanded
>>> at $159. The equilibrium was found at $259 where supply and demand come
>>> closer to being equal. At that price I still witnessed people turned away
>>> wanting a room due to their poor planning. I don't think that is price
>>> gouging. Their hotel was full at $269 a night. The next day was $159 again.
>>> Since the hotel was full they probably could have been even higher.
>>>
>>> I really don't understand what people have such a huge issue with the
>>> fundamental theory of supply and demand. Yes I understand that it is a
>>> potentially life saving drug. There are other cheaper treatments. Maybe
>>> they aren't as good, which is why they are cheaper. When did we stop
>>> rewarding people for the value they provide? I know this jerk didn't invent
>>> it but he obviously was willing to reward those who did with a price they
>>> thought fair. Sales over the next few years will prove if he made a mistake.
>>>
>>> Why not force Chuck to sell a unique mount he made for 5% over cost?
>>> Heck, why not only cover his cost? Why not less than cost and force him to
>>> provide his great product for the good of the people? There is a reason it
>>> is named Animal Farm. How many have read this book? While not about
>>> capitalism it does speak to the kind of central control that skulks below
>>> the overt argument for "controlling" this type of behavior.
>>>
>>> I know people might die. I'll put on my really jerky hat and say "so
>>> what?". People die every day for less meaning and in greater numbers. There
>>> is practically a mass suicide movement going on now with texting and
>>> driving. I don't see where people value there lives or others that much
>>> anyway when reading a text or email is more important than life itself.
>>> I guess I am just a big libertarian at heart. Give me the loose
>>> framework of a "fair market", whatever that is, and let the system fight it
>>> out. The word isn't fair, not ever going to be fair, stop trying to warp it
>>> to be that way.
>>>
>>> Have fun with that on a Friday and have a Merry Christmas, Happy Hanuka,
>>> or whatever else gets your boat floating.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 8:02 AM Patrick Leary <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The irony? Your local poor schlub a-hole can be arrested and charged if
>>>> he doubles the price of gas, water, or other life-critical goods after a
>>>> natural disaster – that’s a crime in America. Meanwhile, it’s completely
>>>> legal for a company to raise a life-critical drug by over 5000% -- that’s
>>>> capitalism in America.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Shkreli is only the most written about example. This “business trend’
>>>> is all the rage and has been widely employed in the U.S. for a number of
>>>> years now.
>>>> http://news.health.com/2015/09/25/6-insane-examples-of-prescription-drug-price-increases/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Patrick
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 17, 2015 8:28 PM
>>>> *To:* [email protected]
>>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT - Martin Shkreli
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Apparently this guy AND HIS LAWYER were arrested today.  Everybody
>>>> knows him as the guy who raises drug prices 5000%, but I did not know he
>>>> live streams almost daily to his fans.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Watch the first video, isn't he just like every annoying, entitled,
>>>> slacker kid living in his parents basement that we have to deal with
>>>> bitching about his Internet?  Except he is CEO of a drug company.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I didn't think it was possible to hate him more, but watch the video.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8gjB1PSXv_oAUSAQ16S0fA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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