You assume I haven't when in fact I was part of the socialist healthcare system that some want to force everyone onto when I did need care the government was incapable of providing.
My son was asthmatic and was in the hospital 6 times in one month. The military health system could not, or would not, care for him. Instead, they preferred to accuse my wife of mistreating him. What saved him was the PRIVATE health care system. We drove him several times to a very good PRIVATE hospital 4 hours away to get the care the government could not or would not provide even though my son was entitled to it. I was happy to pay for that our of my own pocket. Why? Not because they were trying to be bad at their job, they just were incompetent, untrained, and unwilling to do much about it. Without the private health care system and a doctor who sacrificed a great amount of his time for the reward of wealth he thought would be his reward I may have lost him. Maybe your the one who has never needed a life saving treatment or medicine. I have been there and it keenly illustrated that without the private sector (capitalism) and the incentive it provides a life may have been lost. I was willing to pay what it took to get my son the help he needed. Take that same case where there was no private sector. No son. I think I'll take my chances with the private sector I may be able to afford than the government sector that can't provide what i need at any cost. On your corporate welfare point I agree. There should be no medicare, medicaid, or food stamps so there is no passing the buck. What I mean by that is there should be no supplement that is a permanent entitlement. Everyone has hard times and needs a bit of help now and again. The system we have set up to permanently shackle the poor to entitlements is a disservice to everyone including them. If we did not have those programs the Wal-Marts of the US would have to either suffer the massive turnover as employees gained an understanding of what that wage really meant or up the anti. There was a time when you needed help you went to family and if not that, church. Even if you didn't believe what the guy handing out bread and soup believed, he had bread and soup. Although I must admit, from my limited experience in Wal-Mart it appears that they do employ the otherwise unemployable so there is that. On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 10:21 AM Patrick Leary <[email protected]> wrote: > …or maybe never had a child in need of life-saving drugs. > > > > In any event, some can pretend this is good business, but we all pay for > it in taxes for things like Medicare and Medicaid. Nothing happens in > isolation. Sort of like how the American taxpayers are on the hook for > billions in food stamp costs and other support because Wal-Mart and the > like pay poverty wages. So the “capitalism” is really just passing their > costs onto taxpayers. Once Big Business learned that trick, we were all > hosed. > > > > Patrick Leary, Telrad > > 727-501-3735 > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman > *Sent:* Friday, December 18, 2015 10:35 AM > > > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Captilism (was Martin Shkreli) > > > > Damn you guys are brutal! > > > > > Josh Luthman > > > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 10:33 AM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: > > Bah, humbug. > > -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Tyler > > Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 9:28 AM > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Captilism (was Martin Shkreli) > > And a free cell phone so they can call the pharmacy. > > -- > Christopher Tyler > MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE > Total Highspeed Internet Services > 417.851.1107 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jay Weekley" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 9:27:13 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Captilism (was Martin Shkreli) > > They need clothing and transportation to food, water, shelter and > medicine. Or free delivery. > > Josh Luthman wrote: > > Food, water, shelter, medicine. The things anyone and everyone need > to survive. > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 10:04 AM, Cameron Crum <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > Since when has it been a basic human right? Where does it stop? > Why are others forced to pay for peoples bad habits? Other than > congenital defects, and some accidents, most health problems are > due to peoples choices. If our money is to be confiscated to pay > for everyone's "human right", don't we get a say in how they live? > How many other human rights are being trampled on then? > > > > On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Josh Luthman > > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > > > wrote: > > Should medicine really be part of a system of supply and > demand? I'd agree on the whole hotel thing - you don't have > to stay there - but when you have some medical condition (and > while yes AIDS is something you can certainly avoid) I think > as a society and a culture we shouldn't deny a basic human right. > > > Josh Luthman > > Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340> > Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343> > > > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Lewis Bergman > > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > I can't defend his brashness, but the fact remains that > pure capitalism is the best way demonstrated to date to > innovate and health care or pharma is not exempt. Big > rewards encourage big effort yielding big results. These > pharma companies have something like 7 years until the > exclusivity period expires. That can be a pretty short > time to recover investments. This particular case may be a > bit extreme but to say that capitalism is broken in > America is simply ludicrous. > > I recently attended my sons graduation from Texas Tech on > a Friday. Thursday night at the hotel was $159 and Friday > was $269. I don't think that is price gouging. I think it > is a reflection of the simple fact that there are fewer > rooms available on that particular night than are demanded > at $159. The equilibrium was found at $259 where supply > and demand come closer to being equal. At that price I > still witnessed people turned away wanting a room due to > their poor planning. I don't think that is price gouging. > Their hotel was full at $269 a night. The next day was > $159 again. Since the hotel was full they probably could > have been even higher. > > I really don't understand what people have such a huge > issue with the fundamental theory of supply and demand. > Yes I understand that it is a potentially life saving > drug. There are other cheaper treatments. Maybe they > aren't as good, which is why they are cheaper. When did we > stop rewarding people for the value they provide? I know > this jerk didn't invent it but he obviously was willing to > reward those who did with a price they thought fair. Sales > over the next few years will prove if he made a mistake. > > Why not force Chuck to sell a unique mount he made for 5% > over cost? Heck, why not only cover his cost? Why not less > than cost and force him to provide his great product for > the good of the people? There is a reason it is named > Animal Farm. How many have read this book? While not about > capitalism it does speak to the kind of central control > that skulks below the overt argument for "controlling" > this type of behavior. > > I know people might die. I'll put on my really jerky hat > and say "so what?". People die every day for less meaning > and in greater numbers. There is practically a mass > suicide movement going on now with texting and driving. I > don't see where people value there lives or others that > much anyway when reading a text or email is more important > than life itself. > I guess I am just a big libertarian at heart. Give me the > loose framework of a "fair market", whatever that is, and > let the system fight it out. The word isn't fair, not ever > going to be fair, stop trying to warp it to be that way. > > Have fun with that on a Friday and have a Merry Christmas, > Happy Hanuka, or whatever else gets your boat floating. > > On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 8:02 AM Patrick Leary > <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > The irony? Your local poor schlub a-hole can be > arrested and charged if he doubles the price of gas, > water, or other life-critical goods after a natural > disaster – that’s a crime in America. Meanwhile, it’s > completely legal for a company to raise a > life-critical drug by over 5000% -- that’s capitalism > in America. > > Shkreli is only the most written about example. This > “business trend’ is all the rage and has been widely > employed in the U.S. for a number of years now. > > > http://news.health.com/2015/09/25/6-insane-examples-of-prescription-drug-price-increases/ > > Patrick > > *From:*Af [mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof > *Sent:* Thursday, December 17, 2015 8:28 PM > *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT - Martin Shkreli > > > > Apparently this guy AND HIS LAWYER were arrested > today. Everybody knows him as the guy who raises drug > prices 5000%, but I did not know he live streams > almost daily to his fans. > > Watch the first video, isn't he just like every > annoying, entitled, slacker kid living in his parents > basement that we have to deal with bitching about his > Internet? Except he is CEO of a drug company. > > I didn't think it was possible to hate him more, but > watch the video. > > https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8gjB1PSXv_oAUSAQ16S0fA > > > > > > > > ************************************************************************************ > This footnote confirms that this email message has > been scanned by > PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious > code, vandals & computer viruses. > > > ************************************************************************************ > > > > > > > > ************************************************************************************ > This footnote confirms that this email message has > been scanned by > PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious > code, vandals & computer viruses. > > > ************************************************************************************ > > > > > > > > ************************************************************************************ > This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by > PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer > viruses. > > ************************************************************************************ > > > > > > ************************************************************************************ > This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by > PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer > viruses. > > ************************************************************************************ > >
