That's why I had mentioned "many models out there". :(
Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 9:09 AM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote: > Not necessarily - one needs to be familiar with the hardware specs on the > particular Cisco platform one is using. It's possible to 2:1 or 4:1 > oversubscribe the 10GbE ports on each linecard in a 6500/7600 series if you > configure it a certain way. Legacy 6500 stuff is 8Gbps per slot but you can > have a 16-port GBIC linecard. Or encounter a setup like a 48-port 1000BaseT > card that is on a 32Gbps backplane bus. Other things like a 7206VXR with > NPE-G1 and PA-GE modules can do line-rate GbE on the three routing engine > GBICs, but each PA-GE is more like a 600 Mbps interface. > > Same with Juniper on many platforms. When using a mature platform they're > usually on the 3rd, 4th or 5th generation of linecards and supervisors that > mate with a particular chassis and backplane. It's very useful to do some > research into the technical specs and limitations of the 1st/2nd > generations to learn how the platform evolved into its current mature state. > > > On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 6:19 AM, Erich Kaiser <er...@northcentraltower.com > > wrote: > >> I agree there is a huge price difference between a Mikrotik and a >> Juniper/Cisco/Brocade router, but you also need to look at the facts. >> Those routers are made to support a Full routed 10Gbps/40Gbps/100Gbps of >> throughput per port. With Mikrotik it is a MAYBE it will if I don't do >> this or do that.. Obviously there are many models out there, but if you >> look at the true carrier grade router lines, it is a full routed port. >> >> I think each one has its place. >> >> Just my opinion.. >> >> Erich Kaiser >> North Central Tower >> er...@northcentraltower.com >> Office: 630-621-4804 >> Cell: 630-777-9291 >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 7:37 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >> >>> The #1 thing I learned at NANOG was that the big vendors are just as >>> full of shit as the little vendors. Cisco, Juniper, AlcaLu, etc. are all >>> just as likely to ignore problems and create bugs as Mikrotik, Ubiquiti, >>> etc. >>> >>> When sitting at a table at about 1 AM one night with a head engineer >>> with one international operator and one national operator I said something >>> to the effect of, "I've just largely been listening to you guys comparing >>> notes on different products and issues you've had. I use Mikrotik routers >>> in my network and people often say they are junk and that Cisco, Juniper, >>> etc. are the way to go. Those vendors are exactly who you guys use and yet >>> here you are with the same type of complaints as we have with our vendors." >>> The one at the international vendor chimed in, "and we pay 10x more for >>> that right." >>> >>> Don't lose sight of that. >>> >>> For example, Cisco is known for having Ethernet chipset incompatibility >>> issues.... which is exactly what this sub-topic has been about. >>> >>> >>> To think otherwise is simply blind arrogance. >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com >>> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>> http://www.midwest-ix.com >>> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From: *"Eric Kuhnke" <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> >>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>> *Sent: *Thursday, January 14, 2016 10:49:12 PM >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download >>> >>> This is sort of an illustration of why I am still very wary of Mikrotik >>> for routers. >>> >>> There's a myriad of Cisco routers available with 12 to 20 SFP-based GbE >>> interfacess (used/refurb) that are just as capable, if somewhat bigger and >>> hotter, that run very stable versions of IOS. It's totally unacceptable for >>> Cisco to break basic functionality for $HUGE_ISP and >>> $HUGE_ENTERPRISE_CUSTOMER , which are usually using the same IOS trains I >>> use for service provider functions. >>> >>> Mikrotik OS software support is pretty much "hey go over to this forum >>> and hope somebody answers your question", if something is broken you are >>> just supposed to wait for a new version release in a month or two. If >>> something is fundamentally broken in a version of IOS used by a mature (6+ >>> year old) Cisco platform it's almost certain that somebody much bigger and >>> more important than yourself has already run into the issue, escalated it >>> with Cisco, and a new build fixing the bug is available. >>> >>> If the space and power are available I would much rather have a 6503E >>> with dual supervisor than a CCR.... >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 7:34 PM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> This just gets even better. Worked 24 hours, then breaks again. Up to >>>> Level 4 tech support. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Rory >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 13, 2016 7:56 AM >>>> >>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> We are taking it to the Mikrotik forum. This makes no sense since we >>>> have 12 of the already running with no issues. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Rory >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On >>>> Behalf Of *Glen Waldrop >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 13, 2016 7:54 AM >>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I’m not terribly happy with ROS since 6.29. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Maybe it’s just still not 100% yet. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> >>>> >>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 12, 2016 8:36 PM >>>> >>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Replaced the Mikrotik routers with an Airrouter, it works. Replaced >>>> with an Edgerouter, still works. This goes under the category of WTF. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Rory >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On >>>> Behalf Of *Rory Conaway >>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 11, 2016 9:13 PM >>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> We tried 3 Mikrotik routers, 2 cable modems, and two radios from two >>>> different manufacturers. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Rory >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On >>>> Behalf Of *Glen Waldrop >>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 11, 2016 8:52 PM >>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> MTU? >>>> >>>> Last time I had that problem was an inconsistent Ethernet connection. >>>> It wasn’t showing errors, but UDP was dropping packets. TCP retransmitted. >>>> >>>> UDP was screwy, but TCP was downloading at the limit of the wireless >>>> feed. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> >>>> >>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 11, 2016 9:47 PM >>>> >>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Nailed the problem down to the Mikrotik router having a problem with >>>> DNS caching whether it’s Cox or Google. Not sure where to go from there >>>> since the other 12 don’t have a problem. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Rory >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On >>>> Behalf Of *Rory Conaway >>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 11, 2016 4:44 PM >>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> We had raons bit no dangling cables. Level 3 says no errors to the >>>> modem and we had a tech out already. We are changing the 2011 to a 450 >>>> just to confirm before we eacalate further. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Rory Conaway >>>> >>>> Triad Wireless >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Typed on my phone with one finger so please excuse typos and >>>> abbreviations. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -------- Original message -------- >>>> >>>> From: That One Guy /sarcasm <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >>>> >>>> Date: 1/11/2016 10:38 AM (GMT-07:00) >>>> >>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> If it just started and youre in an area hit by storms, some of the >>>> neighbors, mostly the empty houses with no tenants at this point, cable was >>>> busted down by tree limbs and is dangling terminated byt the mud now >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 10:58 AM, Glen Waldrop <gwl...@cngwireless.net> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Likely an RF issue on the cable side. >>>> >>>> I see this sort of thing with the company I consult for. They’ll have >>>> me going through the router, trying to shut down the “virus” or peer to >>>> peer when it is thousands and thousands of retransmits and broken packets. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Just like our wireless it can have good quality until loaded, then >>>> watch the quality drop to nearly nothing and loose connection. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> >>>> >>>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 10, 2016 8:25 PM >>>> >>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The Netgear router has nothing to do with it, I was just using their >>>> website as an example of downloading a file. It’s computer, 2011, cable >>>> modem, the world. I just can’t download anything from any sites. What’s >>>> weird is they just drop. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Rory >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof >>>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 10, 2016 5:12 PM >>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> You mention Netgear, is this a Netgear router? They used to have a >>>> problem with downloads stalling, but that was quite a few years ago. The >>>> fix was to disable SPI Firewall. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> >>>> >>>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 10, 2016 6:06 PM >>>> >>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>> >>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> We have a cable circuit that can do everything except download. There >>>> is a Mikrotik router between the computer and the cable modem. Haven’t >>>> tested taking the router out yet but we have tried 2 routers, same >>>> results. Basically, downloads either don’t start or start and then just >>>> crash. Game machines can’t update, even downloading a 20MB file from >>>> netgear fails. Everything else seems to work. Any ideas would be helpful. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO* >>>> >>>> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040* >>>> >>>> *602-426-0542 <602-426-0542>* >>>> >>>> *r...@triadwireless.net <r...@triadwireless.net>* >>>> >>>> *www.triadwireless.net <http://www.triadwireless.net/>* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> “Life is full of unfair calls, missed plays, and bad catches. But true >>>> baseball players keep on playing” - Lessons from Baseball >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your >>>> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >
