Quesadillas my daughter made me.... On Feb 2, 2016 9:26 AM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
> OK, I just tried it on Google, and they do seem to have cleaned that up > quite a bit. > > I used to get results for all sorts of cable companies that aren't within > a hundred miles. In fact, I used to be able to type in "high speed > Internet in Bumfuck Egypt, Illinois" and get search results for web pages > supposedly offering Internet there but that must have been generated > dynamically based on whatever you were searching for. > > I would still have to try the search from a pristine computer, otherwise > Google is deciding what results to show me based on their data tracking on > me. > > Every time I open some weird link from you guys on this list, websites and > search engines for the next week decide that's what I'm interested in. So > I'm surprised Google doesn't show me movies about whatever Jaime had for > lunch yesterday. > > > -----Original Message----- From: Josh Reynolds > Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2016 9:50 AM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAD day > > Right now if I go to Bing, for example, and type in "what ISPs are in > my $zipcode"... > > It's not using the location data correctly, for one. The first few > pages are nothing but spam and clickbait. There isn't a single, actual > provider one that page. > > Using Yahoo I get the same thing, but there's even more ads. > > Using google, there are actual real results of providers that actually > provide service in this area, as well as a handful of fairly > trustworth review sites. > > Tell me, which one is more useful? > > On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 9:38 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: > >> It doesn’t bother you that a search for high speed Internet in your town >> is >> useless because Google lets lead generators game their system so that the >> first several pages of results are ISPs that don’t even have service >> there? >> >> Money and monopoly power has corrupted Google’s search business (and >> associated services like Maps). They are obviously not strapped for cash, >> they should spend a few bucks fixing their search engine. Until they do, >> we >> should look for and use better search engines. So don’t use Google to >> find >> a locksmith. Better choices like Yelp and Angies List come to mind, plus >> probably some I’m not thinking of at the moment. >> >> >> From: Josh Reynolds >> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2016 9:05 AM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAD day >> >> >> You just described every large scale data source ever. >> >> Congratulations >> >> On Feb 2, 2016 8:41 AM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> Locked out of your house? Don’t use Google to find a locksmith. >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/31/business/fake-online-locksmiths-may-be-out-to-pick-your-pocket-too.html >>> >>> Read the whole article to find out just how badly Google search and map >>> results are corrupted. This locksmith must be legit, I can see their >>> building on Google Maps. Oh, not really there, created by Photoshop and >>> “crowdsourcing”. And driven by a “lead generator” to make it look local. >>> And advertising $19 but paying twice that to Google for the AdWords >>> click. >>> SCAM, SCAM, SCAM. >>> >>> >>> From: George Skorup >>> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2016 11:44 PM >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAD day >>> >>> Nobody says "Let me Bing/Yahoo that". So yeah, Google is how you search >>> the interwebs. But I agree on the other point. I do not trust any company >>> that has (or can have) such huge control over information. Be it Google, >>> Microsoft, Apple, etc... or the government. >>> >>> On 2/1/2016 11:36 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: >>> >>> I would use Yahoo or Bing or any other search engine. Nothing would >>> change >>> if Google went away tomorrow. >>> >>> Blackberries and Android wouldn't even exist if Apple hadn't created the >>> first iPhone. Same with tablets... look how many people tried tablets >>> before >>> Apple, and they all failed. >>> >>> I purchased a Macbook for my daughter headed to college 5 years ago. She >>> used that laptop literally every day, for over 5 years. She graduated >>> with >>> two Bachelor's degrees... using that same laptop. Every paper, thousands >>> of >>> emails, etc... and she has never had a single issue... no viruses, no >>> hardware issues, no software issues. Never a single issue. No OS reload, >>> no >>> malware scanners, nothing. It just works. Just like all the rest of >>> Apple's >>> products... they just work. >>> >>> Travis >>> >>> >>> On 2/1/2016 10:28 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: >>> >>> The world's most popular site and you don't think the world would change? >>> Really??? >>> >>> Apple is gone. People buy Blackberries and Android. Tablets probably >>> won't exist. Mp3 players would probably have come to fruition without >>> them. >>> What else do they have? >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> On Feb 2, 2016 12:22 AM, "Travis Johnson" <t...@ida.net> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> At least Apple makes products... products that literally changed the >>>> computing world, the phone world, the retail world, created apps, and >>>> the >>>> music world. Google created a search engine (actually copying Yahoo, >>>> Webcrawler, Altavista and several others at the time). They aren't a >>>> "product". They don't "sell" anything. They are a webpage, just like >>>> Facebook. >>>> >>>> Imagine your life without Google or Facebook. NOTHING CHANGES. >>>> >>>> Yes, they built a better mousetrap using their intelligence and hard >>>> work... but they aren't "inventors". They didn't create anything new or >>>> groundbreaking. >>>> >>>> Travis >>>> >>>> On 2/1/2016 10:09 PM, Colin Stanners wrote: >>>> >>>> I'd much rather Google / Alphabet Inc. be in that position than Apple >>>> with their overpriced yet restricted / non-upgradable / crappy consumer >>>> electronics. >>>> >>>> Google is making themselves the curator of access to the world's >>>> information and communications. When you consider the value of those, >>>> it's >>>> not just the most valuable company in matters of money. The founders had >>>> incredible foresight in addition to their intelligence and hard work. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:55 PM, Travis Johnson <t...@ida.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.ibtimes.com/alphabet-inc-goog-surpasses-apple-inc-aapl-become-worlds-most-valuable-public-company-2289113 >>>>> >>>>> "The world isn't run by weapons anymore, or energy, or money. It's run >>>>> by little ones and zeroes, little bits of data. It's all just >>>>> electrons." >>>>> ~ Cosmo (Sneakers 1992) >>>>> >>>>> Literally, a one page website for a company that is less than 19 years >>>>> old is now the most valuable company in the world. :( >>>>> >>>>> Travis >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> > >
