Isn't that a clear OTARD violation? On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 4:08 PM, George Skorup <[email protected]> wrote:
> Aren't there boxes that do this already? ChannelMaster maybe? OTA DVR + > Netflix, etc. apps? I don't think you're going to find an IPTv STB with OTA > built in. > > We're a DISH PCO. We have a SmartBox deployed in one building so far. It > has an OTA tuner blade installed (8ch I think). Obviously the benefit is > that you can pull in some locals over the antenna and not tie up sat > tuners. We're doing clear QAM output, 48ch I believe. But anyway, I'd say > the OTA tuner and re-transmit in this situation is legal because 1) it's no > different than a stand-alone OTA system already in the building (we're just > converting them to a clear QAM channel, no transcoding), and 2) DISH has > re-transmit consent for the locals anyway. > > Another scenario I'm thinking of.. We're looking at doing GPON in a > private community of 250+ homes. The association allows ground-mounted sat > dishes only, nothing on roofs besides our current wireless gear, and no > towers. So basically nobody can get OTA. What if we fed OTA into the GPON > RF wave? Who would know? Who would care? We'd be giving the residents a > means to get OTA. Most people want locals + Netflix anyway. > > > On 2/7/2016 11:41 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: > > In my market, we have (at last count) 24 OTA channels. Not all of them > charge, but you know the networks and FOX do, so that is at least > $4/month/sub cost to the company adding those channels to their lineup. > Pays for itself in one or two years of adding the OTA antenna to the STB. > I am sure they must all be thinking about it. > > *From:* Mike Hammett <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Sunday, February 07, 2016 9:19 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cox pulls KASW from it's lineup > > At a minimum, it would move tens of millions of customers in the coverage > area of the broadcast towers to OTA instead of retransmitted through the > satellite. I'm sure at scale, their cost would be cheaper, but a $39 > ChannelMaster yagi would probably work for most of the population. > > Heck, they wouldn't even have to follow through with it. Just threaten it > for reduced rates. I'd imagine just the threat of moving however many > millions of homes (for the big broadcasters) from their retransmission fees > would be quite enough to settle for a rate decrease. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Chuck McCown" <[email protected]> <[email protected]> > *To: *[email protected] > *Sent: *Sunday, February 7, 2016 10:13:28 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cox pulls KASW from it's lineup > > That is a good idea. Put an F connector on the LNB that is designed to > pull in UHF TV frequencies and transport it to the box. One extra antenna > on top. No more local retransmission fees (assuming you can get the locals > at a decent signal level). > > *From:* Mike Hammett <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Sunday, February 07, 2016 7:04 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cox pulls KASW from it's lineup > > What I think Chuck was going for was a way to receive them locally so you > don't have to pay the retransmission fees. To expand upon that, I wonder > about building the OTA into the dish. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Mathew Howard" <[email protected]> <[email protected]> > *To: *"af" <[email protected]> <[email protected]> > *Sent: *Saturday, February 6, 2016 6:17:11 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cox pulls KASW from it's lineup > > Yeah, they do retransmit them over the satellite as well, so most of the > locals actually show up in the list twice. > > On Sat, Feb 6, 2016 at 5:53 PM, Chuck McCown < <[email protected]> > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Can you get locals without the external antenna? >> >> *From:* Mathew Howard <[email protected]> >> *Sent:* Saturday, February 06, 2016 4:49 PM >> *To:* af <[email protected]> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cox pulls KASW from it's lineup >> >> My Dish Network box does that... there's a built in OTA receiver in the >> STB, and other than program information being missing for some of the sub >> channels, you don't really notice whether the channel is coming from >> satellite or OTA. >> >> On Sat, Feb 6, 2016 at 4:57 PM, Chuck McCown < <[email protected]> >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Used to be there were must carry rules for locals. Now it is reversed. >>> I have seen these disputes many times over the past 10-15 years. >>> >>> I wonder about the economics of building an OTA circuit into the STB. >>> Have the installer put up an antenna, wire it up and don’t pay the >>> broadcasters. If it was clever enough the user would not even know. >>> Include the locals in the OSD and DVR functionality... Hmmm, would work >>> for IPTV systems too... >>> >>> Of course everyone cannot always receive all the local OTAs but most >>> could. I wonder if you could pay the broadcasters only for the customers >>> that needed cable/IPTV deliver of the signal... I guess you could create a >>> non locals tier of service and try to put as many on it as possible. >>> >>> *From:* Rory Conaway <[email protected]> >>> *Sent:* Saturday, February 06, 2016 3:16 PM >>> *To:* <[email protected]>[email protected] >>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Cox pulls KASW from it's lineup >>> >>> >>> KASW is a local channel in the Phoenix area. Apparently there is a >>> dispute over the cost of rebroadcasting this local channel when renewing >>> the contract. The reason that it’s interesting is they replaced the entire >>> show with an explanation of how local channels get to charge for something >>> the broadcast over the air for free. It looks like they are going on the >>> offensive and something we need to be aware of it if we start looking at >>> broadcasting IP TV. >>> >>> >>> >>> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO* >>> >>> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040* >>> >>> *602-426-0542 <602-426-0542>* >>> >>> * <[email protected]>[email protected] >>> <[email protected]>* >>> >>> * <http://www.triadwireless.net/>www.triadwireless.net >>> <http://www.triadwireless.net>* >>> >>> >>> >>> “The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of >>> comfort or convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge or >>> controversy” – Martin Luther King >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > > > >
