George, that’s exactly correct. We have the force 110’s in place non GPS. The plan was to install second 110 units that were GPS and use those first units as backups but they all need radomes.
Matt, yes feel free to contact me about price. Best regards, Brandon Yuchasz GogebicRange.net www.gogebicrange.net <http://www.gogebicrange.net/> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Mangriotis Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 12:47 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Force 200 Ptp distance The 450d comes in a 4-pack with radios and complete assemblies (including the radome). The radome holds the “sub-reflector” and the unit will not perform correctly without it. It is not optional. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 12:28 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Force 200 Ptp distance Is the 450d radome included or optional? I thought it was optional. We've already began the process of replacing the Force110's with Force200 PTP links. Just connectorized radios, not GPS. And now with the Force200's, there's no possibility of sync. Would've been nice to leave the 110's, swap to GPS radios and added the 450d radome kit. I think that's what Brandon is after. On 2/24/2016 11:58 AM, Matt Mangriotis wrote: This all comes down to packaging and shipping… We might be able to set up and sell just the radome, but it’s big and takes up a lot of space in a box. You will probably not like the price we’d have to charge. Have any of them broken? Also, with respect to using them with Force products, I will check with engineering on possible gotchas. I have never considered this. After investigation, would you guys mind if I reach out to you (George and Brandon) to discuss potential pricing, quantities and feasibility? Matt From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 11:52 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Force 200 Ptp distance Yeah, that's dumb. So we can't even order replacements if they break? OK, maybe we just won't buy any 450d at all. I hope they are listening. On 2/24/2016 7:10 AM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote: Cambium does not have a part number assigned to the radome w/ sub reflector. So no distributors can purchase them and sell them to us. I agree its seems silly not to sell them but that’s what the sales reps are getting from Cambium and as I mentioned then didn’t return my calls or emails asking about it. I am generally a fan of Cambiums processes and products but this whole think left a bad taste in my mouth. Best regards, Brandon Yuchasz GogebicRange.net www.gogebicrange.net From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 10:43 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Force 200 Ptp distance Seriously, no reseller will sell you just the 450d radome w/ the sub-reflector? I don't understand why Cambium would be hard assed about selling just the 450d radome kit. Refusing to sell something they make seems pretty stupid. The sub-reflector is just the front of the 110 wire suspended kit and snaps into the front of the radome, as I'm sure you're aware. If you wanted, you could rip off the suspenders. I've accidentally broken a few. We haven't bought any 450d's yet. The antenna gain is calculated incorrectly, so the DFS band Tx power is like 10dB low, which means no worky for me. We're doing a lot of 5.4GHz now and we're not going to run the 14.1.2 beta builds in mass. So yeah, I'm just not going there yet. We haven't done any PTP links without radomes for the past several years. It just makes sense. Not only for wind loading, but ice and heavy wet snow, which we're about to get here tomorrow damnit! On 2/23/2016 9:03 PM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote: Yep you guys hit the nail on the head. It’s the radome for us. I just cant risk another drop due to ice / snow packing in a dish. I tried to drum up enough interest in Chucks condom but not enough jumped on board. I didn’t even get a response from Cambium when I asked about the 450d radomes becoming available. Although we did confirm they would fit / work. Kind of pissed me off since I was told a year ago at animal farm they would have one for the 110. Now they have it but won’t sell it. I don’t mind having redundant links in place. Its been the plan since we started putting up the 110’s. When it became obvious that they were not going to give us radomes we backed off the install schedule for the second links. So now we have to deploy the 200’s to get the radomes but have to give up GPS. I should have just deployed the microtik dishes with Eptp and radomes to start. That was the plan before I was told the force 110 would have them. Best regards Brandon Yuchasz GogebicRange.net www.gogebicrange.net From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 8:41 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Force 200 Ptp distance Wouldn't it be way cheaper and easier to use Chuck's condom radome? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Feb 23, 2016 9:38 PM, "George Skorup" <geo...@cbcast.com> wrote: We've been putting radomes on ALL of the Force200's. Would be nice if they could come up with a sync-over-power variant of the 200. ..... or let us order the 450d radome w/ sub-reflector element. The Force110 and 450d is the same reflector.. and feed. Just sayin. On 2/23/2016 8:32 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Why go through the effort of replacing them? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Feb 23, 2016 9:31 PM, "Brandon Yuchasz" <li...@gogebicrange.net> wrote: Not exactly what you are asking but we have done a lot of 10 to 12 mile links with the stock force 110 and got full modulation. I have not put up the force 200 yet but plan to start replacing all the force 110 links with them as soon as the weather warms a bit. The old 110s will become backup links. Best regards, Brandon Yuchasz GogebicRange.net www.gogebicrange.net From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Marsh Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 5:32 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Force 200 Ptp distance Thanks for the info Mathew ... I don't like more than 10 miles. But was curious at 20 On Feb 23, 2016 5:28 PM, "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote: Yeah - 40 miles appears to be the max for ePMP. Realistically, it *should* be possible to get full modulation at 8 miles with Force 200's, but at 20 miles, you're going to want bigger dishes. On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 5:24 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: As a non smart-ass answer, there are probably some timing constraints that will limit the distance before the RF will, assuming LOS. From: Chuck McCown <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 3:47 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Force 200 Ptp distance I think earth curvature will probably be the limiting factor. From: Joseph Marsh <mailto:josephmarsh2...@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 3:45 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Force 200 Ptp distance What is the max distance for a force 200 Ptp link?
